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Caz
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Posted by Caz, 20:45 2 October 2007

Does anyone experience anxiety as part of their SAD symptoms?

If so have you found anything that helps this?

I am wary of medication as many I have tried have only made the anxiety worse?

Thankyou
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Posted by Minnie, 21:21 2 October 2007


Yeah, I do. In fact, I 've found it's been one of my first symptoms to return this year - that and fatigue.

Yesterday it took me over 4 hours to get it together to go to the shop for a pint of milk!

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Posted by Amalthea, 23:06 2 October 2007

I also experience anxiety. I almost went on pills for it, but I rode it out.

Sometimes yoga helps me out. Or some nice hot tea. Just self-care, when I'm in shape enough to kinda-sorta get myself together.
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Posted by Hadrian, 23:12 2 October 2007

Yes Caz,anxiety is one my main symptoms.I find excercise helps.
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Posted by WhistlingPig, 09:44 3 October 2007

I get terrible anxiety attacks where I'm convinced something bad is going to happen and it will all be my fault. I've had SAD for about 20 years but the anxiety only started a couple of years ago (like I didn't have enough neuroses!).

The only thing I've found that helps is talking to other people about anything else at all (the weather, last night's TV, whatever) and just derailing the negative thought process. And as always, there's is no situation that can't be made better by chocolate and a nice cup of tea!
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Posted by Amalthea, 12:40 3 October 2007

Lately, I've gotten into a strange pattern.

I go to bed almost as soon as I get home one day per week. The next day, I spend on a ridiculous cleaning spree, which I'm sure is just nervous energy. It's productive, at least. I find it a bit unsettling, tho.

My apartment goes downhill to the point that I run out of dishes, the trash starts to smell, I'm depressed about the piles of clothes accumulating on the dresser/exercise machine/back of chairs/everywhere... And finally, after I give in and have a long sleep, I clean up.
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Posted by paulst, 15:08 3 October 2007

I get quite a bit of anxiety in the Winter, I find if I put off jobs like decorating etc until the Spring, by then, im starting to feel better and can cope better.
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Posted by Suzie, 16:44 3 October 2007

Amalthea, I used to do exactly what you do. Go on a mad cleaning spree and burn myself out then not be able to do anything for weeks. Since having the ME I have had to learn to pace myself. I try and do at least one hour of something each day, either ironing, dusting, washing then have a rest. If I feel ok then I will do another hour, if I don't I wont.

It's difficult at first but once you get the hang of it it really helps.
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Posted by Amalthea, 18:32 3 October 2007

Suzy, what do you mean by "having the ME" Do you mean "me time" or is it an abbreviation? Sorry -- blame my slow brain. :P

I'd planned to slow down, but it seems like I've been useless for four days out of the week -- one day being a "come right home and roll into bed" day.

Before I got my SAD light (about four years ago?), I used to come home EVERY weekday and barely make it into my bed. Now, even on my "sleep-day," I have a controlled crash. ;)

Glad to know I'm not alone in these crazy patterns.
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Posted by barbwaga Aka: (.Bilbo), 20:42 3 October 2007

I have had so many phobia's for all of my life and have learnt to control most of them my self without medication. most of the time I have used Breathing technique,Aromatherypy oils and yoga have all helped
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Posted by Suzie, 15:37 4 October 2007

Amalthea ME is an illness also known as CFS - chronic fatigue syndrome. The sleep thing really gets me as well. I hate falling asleep when my partner or son comes home but sometimes I just have to have at least 1 hour then it recharges my batteries until I go to bed.
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Posted by koko, 16:16 4 October 2007

hi all, I have ocd and it always worsens around this time of year. I am feeling very anxious now as I know it is I may dip. I'm determined this year for it not to happen. I am on meds for anxiety/ocd, gradually beginning to come off them. I am going to buy a lightbox this year, I said it last year and didn't! Thinking of you all.
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Posted by Hadrian, 00:40 8 October 2007

Hi Koko,I'm so glad I read your post!
I know when my SAD is kicking in because my thoughts become repetitive,I start checking things-like door handles and gas/fires to "make sure" their off/locked etc.This craziness dissapears in Summer.
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Posted by Amalthea, 01:12 8 October 2007

Are you sure your checking is obsessive?

I check things more in the wintertime for the simple fact that I'm more forgetful/distracted/tired in the wintertime.

I don't mean to dispute what you say, just offer a question out of curiosity. :)
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Posted by Amalthea, 01:18 8 October 2007

I'm dealing a bit more with the anxiety again, right now.

We've had gorgeous, sunny, 80-some degree weather here for a few days. This should improve my symptoms, of course, but I find myself spending two or three days a week sleeping 10-12 hours a night.

The anxiety is from expecting to "be better" when I'm still, for some reason, just wiped out despite nice weather. Mood-wise, I feel OK, sometimes mildly euphoric, but then the tiredness hits and I feel worried.
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Posted by Hadrian, 00:35 9 October 2007

I'm not sure about the checking to be honest.
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 08:17 9 October 2007

I have to check I've locked the car doors and many other routine things, more at some times than others. I'm sure it's a lack of concentration, it never occurred to me that I have OCD.
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Posted by Hadrian, 14:49 9 October 2007

I think everybody has OCD to a certain degree,especially people who are thoughtfull/caring types.
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Posted by paulst, 15:56 9 October 2007

The problem for me is memory, im ok ish in the summer, but in the winter I forget almost everything, at bedtime I check all the doors twice, just in case I forgot the first time.
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 17:36 9 October 2007

I can't remember peoples' names, where I left things, where I'm supposed to be at a particular time. I have a PDA and it's set for alarms to remind me of stuff, simple stuff!
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Posted by paulst, 18:08 9 October 2007

I even go to the supermarket and forget what im buying, sometimes I even forget to take the money, it makes me feel a complete idiot.
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 19:28 9 October 2007

I bet you don't forget the Galaxy!
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Posted by Louise, 20:21 9 October 2007

I tend to lose things, usually my car keys just before I need to get somewhere on time! Or forget what I am doing like I walk into a room and think why did I come in here? That makes me feel that I'll have NO hope when I'm old.
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Posted by Louise, 20:28 9 October 2007

How do you edit your posts?

I just wanted to add that today has been a bad day which is why I've been on this forum rather than getting on with jobs that need doing. It has been dark and rainy all day and I've felt tired and a bit panicky when I think of things that need to be done and my seemingly inability to knuckle down to jobs. Fortunately weather is set to improve.

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Posted by PurpleIvy, 21:39 9 October 2007

I lose keys as well, Louise!
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Posted by Minnie, 21:39 9 October 2007

Hi Hadrian, did we have this conversation last year about checking etc?

I check things in winter and it can get to the point where it drives me nuts! I think mine is slightly OCDish though, because I start to get irritated by things being out of place nd have to put them back e.g. dvds sticking out of shelves when all the rest are straight.

It's not major though and don't think any of my friends and family even realise.
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Posted by paulst, 22:21 9 October 2007

I dont forget the galaxy, I forget pretty much everything else, but not that wonderful bar of chocolate.
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 22:23 9 October 2007

Hey look! I just gave myself a head transplant. Tired of the Hattie Jacques look!
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Posted by paulst, 22:25 9 October 2007

Much better than Hattie Jacques.
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 22:29 9 October 2007

I have had some chocolate today, but also had some Panda liquorice, I'm sure that must be much better for me, I can't eat as much of it for a start!
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 22:30 9 October 2007

*blushes a little*
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Posted by paulst, 22:31 9 October 2007

Liquorice ugh, give me chocolate any day.
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Posted by paulst, 22:32 9 October 2007

I must admit I ate half a bar of dark galaxy today.
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 22:39 9 October 2007

I prefer chocolate, but we're talking damage limitation here. I think you ate 2 half bars, hence 2 posts. You just thought it would look like you had posted twice. Just a cover up, What size bar was that any way?
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 22:41 9 October 2007

What is really really good is Panda liquorice bits dipped in melted dark chocolate. We had that when we were exploring 'vocal colour' at chorus!
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Posted by paulst, 22:42 9 October 2007

It was a medium size bar, honest.
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Posted by Amalthea, 00:56 10 October 2007

Y'all are making me hungry. :P

Gosh, when I go to the grocery store when I'm really in the grips of SAD, I end up running my cart into displays. I'm not coordinated enough to cut around the corners, so I just go *RIGHT* into things. ;)
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Posted by badwolf, 07:30 10 October 2007

I get Anxiety anyway so not really noticed.
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Posted by WhistlingPig, 10:25 10 October 2007

I love your icon Badwolf. And PurpleIvy - I'm now addicted to Galaxy Dark. I blame you! ;-)
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Posted by marky999, 10:43 10 October 2007

Hey

I get anxiety every year I suppose , Around the October mark , going on until about Januray.
Its probably one of the biggest things about S.A.D for me that affects me , but since I have been diagnosed It seems to have become more acceptable to me , as I now know for sure why im feeling that way :0)

(Changing the subject randomly)

Liquorice is like Marmite, you either love it or hate it ! lol I like the Bassetts Liquorice Allsorts ! Yum

Marky Markx
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 10:58 10 October 2007

It wasn't me! I didn't know about it until someone here told me of its existence!
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Posted by jen, 18:06 10 October 2007

Hi there, yeah I suffer with anxiety a lot at this time of year, I also promised myself a litebox last year but never got around to it!. As if you all have not got enough to worry about but I had to mention it, liquorice really affects your blood pressure, it sends it high! jen
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 21:55 10 October 2007

That's a benefit for me really, because my BP is usually in my boots somewhere! In addition my med tends to add to that, so anything I can do to up it a little is a good thing.

My doc once told me that I have the blood pressure of a young fit woman.... and he had a bit of a smile on his face. I'm female, I guess, but one out of three isn't that good!
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Posted by Hadrian, 21:55 10 October 2007

Hi Minnie,it couldn't have been me you talked to last year because I'm pretty new to the forum.
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Posted by ally may, 20:27 11 October 2007

re sad and anxiety?
in a word- yes
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Posted by heather w, 11:02 13 October 2007

i have finally self diagnosed myself with sad and the anxiety is one of my main symptoms, along with early waking and fatigue- i take st. johns wort and valerian, which seems to help a dn am about to invest in a lightbox
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Posted by chalkie, 20:29 14 October 2007

Hi

Reading these posts makes me realise I am not alone and I am not going out of my mind every winter !
Hadrian
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Posted by Hadrian, 22:30 14 October 2007

Yes Chalkie, I've found this forum to be of great comfort over the past few weeks.
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Posted by Hadrian, 22:33 14 October 2007

Heather,how long have you taken St Johns Wort?How long did you take it before you noticed any effect?
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Posted by Psychie, 20:13 17 October 2007

I suffer panic attacks during the winter quite often. Unfortunately I teach and sometimes it can be very debilitating. Have got very upset in class on a couple of ocassions. I find it helps to be quite open about my SAD so that people try (often badly) to understand. I also teach Psychology which sometimes helps sometimes is a problem. I have to teach mental health during the winter every year and feel every kid is staring at me going you are mad miss! I often use my litebook in class and when the kids ask what it is I call it my happy light - guess that makes them think I am even crazier!
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Posted by heather w, 12:40 18 October 2007

hi hadrian- sorry not responded sooner, i use a product called amoryn- found on website by natures medicines- very good. really reccommend- takes up to 2 months to notice benefit, not cheap nut worth a try, take care.
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Posted by rhiannon, 13:15 26 October 2007

I know where you're coming from Psychie. I have panic disorder all the year round, but the panic attacks get more regular in the winter. I also find that it helps a little to be open, although it is almost impossible for people to understand it unless they've been there I think. I'm also in psychology, and I sometimes think that psychology students (and even lecturers!) are surprisingly less open minded about things like this and more likely to think you're a bit mad!

How do you guys manage your relationships with your partners at this time? I've just moved in with my boyfriend, and when we got together it was the beginning of march so i was just getting better. I've explained what it's like to warn him, but I think I may just have ended up terrifying him instead!
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Posted by zed, 15:42 26 October 2007

Hello I am called Alex and I am new to the site.. I like it :)

I am glad there is a forom like this it has made me realise that I am not alone in this crazy ailment :/

It is driving me insane this year.. all I want to do is sleep and i have lost interest in everything and I just want to hide away with the lights off until At least April, Is anyone else like this? I go to bed early to try and take some control of my body clock but it wont have any of it and I am asleep until at least 1pm anyway, then im tired at 7pm lol :) Its hard to keep your sense of humour when you feel like a Zombie isnt it .. My memory is awful too.. really awful in the winter.. It was starting to worry me until I looke don the web and saw that I am not alone, it is quite comforting:). A hard part is that no-one understands and they all just think you are a damn lazy pig!I would do anything to be in the wide awake club personally..

Any one have any tips to get some sort of normality, routine back?
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Posted by zed, 15:45 26 October 2007

Oh and I have anxiety aswell.. Anxiety Sucks guys..I need somethin goff the doctor I think? Does anyone know if Prozac Will help with the symptoms at all? this year Is the worst i have had it.. I think because its been a dull drab Summer time aswell.
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Posted by paulst, 16:39 26 October 2007

HI Alex welcome to the forum,prozac has been useful to me in the past and did seem to help with anxiety, your best bet is to talk to your doctor and see what he/she recommends.


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Posted by Psychie, 20:43 28 October 2007

I have had prozac in the past and it has been helpful for the depression but made me more anxious so if you are struggling with that then beware other anti-depressants may be better.
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Posted by annkaren, 20:48 28 October 2007

annkaren so relieved to read comments thought i was so lazy wanting to sleep most of time. hav coeliac condition (allergy to wheat), 4 children, work nites one month in 4 - that really knocks everything off balance. lite box sounds great but so expensive, will it work?
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 08:02 29 October 2007

Don't regard a lamp as being expensive. If it works for you, then it's good value for money. A reputable company will allow you to trial the lamp for a while so that you can decide if it is beneficial or not. Yes, the outlay may be significant for a person, but the health benefits can be significant.
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Posted by Fox, 14:01 29 October 2007

Two years ago a friend recommended that i tried homeopathy as an alternative to being put on anti-depresants. I didn't know what i thought about the idea at first, but thought anything was worth a try. I went and saw a lovely lady where we discussed everything i was feeling. After the 1hr session, she sent me some herbal remidies for me to try. I noticed a change in my energy levels, my moods improved, i felt more possitive about life, in fact i felt more like the 'normal'me. It wasn't a complete cure but it definitely took the edge off. It may not work for evryone but it's helped me get through those 'dark' times.
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Posted by paulst, 16:03 29 October 2007

HI fox,its brilliant that you have found something that works for you. I know very little about homeopathy and am not sure how they work,but if it helps you to cope,then , thats all that matters. You seem to have a positive attitude and that is so important.
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Posted by annkaren, 17:19 29 October 2007

did you feel much better when you started light therapy paulst and which box do you use? I am a computer novice first time on line great way to communicate, whatever you have to look at (obe). Thinking about getting a light box they seem to be helping lots of people. prices vary is more expensive better?
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Posted by paulst, 17:36 29 October 2007

When I first started using my lightbox,I found no improvement,but after about a week, I started to feel a little better. Ive been using it on and off for a couple of years and find that, now I feel about 50% better. My light cost about £130, its one of the smaller boxes but still good. You can pay a lot more for bigger lightboxes, I dont know a lot about them, but I think you can use them for a shorter length of time and still get the same benefit.
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 21:09 29 October 2007

my lamp is tiny and more powerful than the larger one that I have.
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Posted by annkaren, 23:29 29 October 2007

thanks paulst i think i really need to give this a go. Purplelvy what types are your lamps? hav you been using them long?
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Posted by Piglet, 08:52 30 October 2007

I'm into my third winter with my lamp and mine made a huge difference to the way I am over the dark months. I'm still not the same me as in the summer but it's a huge improvement.

Lumie do a 21 day trial on lamps, I tried it and there was no way I was sending mine back at the end of it!
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Posted by Minnie, 10:08 30 October 2007

Hi Heather W,

just be careful if you're taking St Johns Wort and start using a lightbox. SJW can cause photo-sensitivity and so shouldn't be used with a lightbox.

x
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Posted by winnie_the_newt, 13:28 30 October 2007

Hiya,
just joined the forum, and not sure if this is actually the right thread!
Anyway, I started with anxiety during the Christmas/New Year break 2004-2005.
I have struggled ever since, but recently seemed to be improving.
Yesterday, it was like WHAM! Fine in the morning; semi-spring-cleaned the living room.
But by tea time that was it.
Today, I haven't got out of my pyjamas.
Can the clock changing have made such a difference?
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Posted by paulst, 16:02 30 October 2007

HI, a lot of people seem to go down hill when the clocks go back, losing that precious hour of daylight in the evening makes a lot of difference to me, I get really tired much quicker.
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Posted by Arien, 11:10 31 October 2007

hi

the clocks going back really hit me as well, i think SAD being related to body clock probably means it is harder to adjust as well as the sudden impact of the dark evenings. getting home in the dark makes it almost impossible to get out again for anything! my body clock seems to be really sensitive to change and one summer of working in a bar really screwed me up for months, i realised i can't do a job that involves shift work, has anyone else found this? (sorry if this should be a new thread or something, am still a newbie to the whole forum thing!)
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Posted by winnie_the_newt, 11:28 31 October 2007

It's only recently (ie in 2006-7) that I have thought SAD may be the cause of how I am these days.
I had a panic/anxiety attack last night; having one now, in fact. I thought they had stopped.

I am considering renting a lamp for a couple of months, to see if it has any positive effect; there seems so many! Where do I start?
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Posted by sandyb, 19:12 31 October 2007

hi

Just joined today, and the posts have really helped me.

I've had the worst beginning to winter I've ever had since I first started getting symptoms of SAD. Haven't been to work for a week and a half,and have had to go on tranquilisers to control my anxiety as well as my normal prozac. Has this year been a lot worse for anyone else? I was just wondering if the really bad summer has made a difference or if it's just me?
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Posted by paulst, 17:35 1 November 2007

HI sandyb, welcome to the forum. You are right about the rubbish Summer, I think its affected a lot of people on here. Many of us have started using our lightboxes earlier and some are taking medication sooner than expected.
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Posted by sandyb, 18:12 2 November 2007

Hey paulst

thanks for that. It's probably horrible for me to feel this but it actually does make it better that it's not just me being freakier than normal!
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Posted by Pete, 02:41 3 November 2007

Hi
Just joined today waiting to take delivery of a bodyclock, have put off buying one the last couple of years. but things have got bad since clocks changed thought i would try it hope it works.
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Posted by paulst, 11:49 3 November 2007

HI, Pete and welcome,the clocks going back is a bad time for many of us, so you are not alone.Glad to see your getting a bodyclock, I use mine all the year round and wouldnt be without it.



paul

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