brightspark

polar nights

The Lumie forum is for general discussion of Seasonal Affective Disorder and all things light therapy. To join in you'll need to register.

We do not monitor this forum every day. If you want to reach Lumie please go to our contact us page.

Post reply Start new thread
lovethesun
joined 29 Nov 2007
64 posts

send a pm

Posted by lovethesun, 17:24 12 December 2007

do you think people who live wheres there 0 hrs daylight in winter are even more depressed than those who at 50 -55 N WHO GET 7-8 HRS of daylight
Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 17:37 12 December 2007

yes it affects them worse.
paulst
joined 5 Oct 2005
796 posts

send a pm

Posted by paulst, 17:41 12 December 2007

Interesting question, I suppose the darker it is, the worse the symptoms. I did read somewhere, (not sure if its true) that in some countries, where there is a lot of snow, people manage better because the snow makes the landscape look brighter.
lovethesun
joined 29 Nov 2007
64 posts

send a pm

Posted by lovethesun, 17:53 12 December 2007

they must be really depressed beause with no,light at all their body cant tell if it noon or nite so they must sleep like 16-18 hrs a day
Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 17:55 12 December 2007

Yes the snow makes a difference. Everything is brighter.
lovethesun
joined 29 Nov 2007
64 posts

send a pm

Posted by lovethesun, 17:58 12 December 2007

snow doesnt do any good if the sun doesnt crack above the horizon at all
Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 18:11 12 December 2007

You are right but it helps me and I love it. It is better looking at white than brown and green.
lovethesun
joined 29 Nov 2007
64 posts

send a pm

Posted by lovethesun, 18:14 12 December 2007

for me i get more depressed when there snow because when theres snow its so cold and when i see snow i know its truly winter which means summer is so far away
Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 18:27 12 December 2007

yes but it does make things brighter and not so dull. The sun shines off of it and thats a good thing.
lovethesun
joined 29 Nov 2007
64 posts

send a pm

Posted by lovethesun, 18:57 12 December 2007

you dont get the infra red rays that make you feel better
Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 19:02 12 December 2007

okay I didn't know that but when it is brighter I do feel alittle better
paulst
joined 5 Oct 2005
796 posts

send a pm

Posted by paulst, 19:24 12 December 2007

I must admit, nice bright snow does make feel a little happier, and if the sun shines on it even better.
lovethesun
joined 29 Nov 2007
64 posts

send a pm

Posted by lovethesun, 19:52 12 December 2007

bah humbug give me 16 hrs days with a sun where you actally feel the heat on your skin
JeanneinCanada
joined 8 Feb 2007
68 posts

send a pm

Posted by JeanneinCanada, 20:02 12 December 2007

Since we don't get to have 16 hr days over half the year, we have to make the most of what we have. I like to make the most of every ray of sunlight I get in the fall/winter. I do feel better when the sun is out, it may be bitchin cold lately, but, I can still feel sun on my face and warming up my coat. And I find the snow makes a big difference when it comes. It brightens everything. I have no idea if infra red rays enhance things, but I do know great bodies of snow, like the poles, can be seen from space, so they must be pretty bright. I live out in the country w/ no streetlights and its black here at night, but when the snow comes it even glows at night making everything brighter even when the sun isn't out.

In the abscence of ideal long sunny days, its still much better than what a far arctic day must be like.

jeanne
paulst
joined 5 Oct 2005
796 posts

send a pm

Posted by paulst, 20:10 12 December 2007

I think any sun is better than none and if you use a lightbox as well, then you can really start to make a difference to our low moods, it certainly helps me.
Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 20:20 12 December 2007

Good I'm not the only one that loves the bright snow.
lovethesun
joined 29 Nov 2007
64 posts

send a pm

Posted by lovethesun, 02:12 13 December 2007

im sorry i just really hate winter!!
Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 12:15 13 December 2007

I hate it too but the snow makes it a little better.
paulst
joined 5 Oct 2005
796 posts

send a pm

Posted by paulst, 15:48 13 December 2007

I hate the winter for the dark miserable days, but if we get any sun I really try and make the most of it.
Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 16:32 13 December 2007

right now we are getting a snow storm but it is bright with the snow
paulst
joined 5 Oct 2005
796 posts

send a pm

Posted by paulst, 17:11 13 December 2007

We havent had a really good snowfall for a couple of years in this area.
Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 17:32 13 December 2007

But this is Canada and its winter. We are in the snow belt area close to Buffalo New York USA. They usually get more that we do.
Donna
Donna
joined 28 Nov 2002
226 posts

send a pm

Posted by Donna, 13:44 16 December 2007

I have to admit, even when the sun is shining on a cold winters day, I still feel low. I think with me, it's the cold I also hate as much as the dark days and being cold makes me very very sad. I have found this happens to me every year. Does anyone else feel the same???

Donna
Donna
joined 28 Nov 2002
226 posts

send a pm

Posted by Donna, 13:45 16 December 2007

I have to admit, even when the sun is shining on a cold winters day, I still feel low. I think with me, it's the cold I also hate as much as the dark days and being cold makes me very very sad. I have found this happens to me every year. Does anyone else feel the same???

Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 18:18 16 December 2007

no if the sun is shining I bundle up and go outside soak it in on my face. I love summer but if the sun is shining in the winter then its not to bad.
Donna
Donna
joined 28 Nov 2002
226 posts

send a pm

Posted by Donna, 20:38 16 December 2007

Thats good news. Today was a bad day for me. I wanted to go for a run in the sun even though it was cold but had a stupid panic attack! Boy I wish I would of grown out of having SAD by now but hopefully the symptoms will reduce in time.
Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 20:41 16 December 2007

I have heard that as you get older it gets alittle bit better. I will just have to wait and see. 48 now and have had it for 3 years. I couldn't go running outside. It is not sunny and we now have about 2 feet of snow and it is still coming down. JeannieinCanada is getting it next. aleast it looks pretty.
Donna
Donna
joined 28 Nov 2002
226 posts

send a pm

Posted by Donna, 21:03 16 December 2007

Yes my Dad had sad and now at 57, his symptoms are much improved which is good. So you have had it for 3 years? Did you know what it was at first? I am 36 and have had it since the age of about 11. My mum noticed a big change in me every September time! This goes on till April for me. I didn't know what it was till I was about 25 because not much research was done when I was younger. I hope you are coping ok.
Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 21:10 16 December 2007

I didn't know what it was at first because I had surgery in Nov. They thought I had breast cancer. So I went through depression in the time waiting for everything to happen. Then the next 2 years it came as soon as the time changed. Now the Gp says it is sad. But the other day she says you know you could be bipolar. I said what just because I am happy when the sun is shining and things are warm. I don't think so. So here I am dealing with it myself
Donna
Donna
joined 28 Nov 2002
226 posts

send a pm

Posted by Donna, 21:18 16 December 2007

Sounds like you have had a pretty rough time to say the least. Maybe you could get a second opinion from another GP??
Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 21:23 16 December 2007

no I can't go for a second opinion due to the fact there are very few Gp's in the Niagara Region of Ontario Canada. They don't know much about sad they tend to just want to give you pills.
Donna
Donna
joined 28 Nov 2002
226 posts

send a pm

Posted by Donna, 21:25 16 December 2007

Thats a shame. I feel you need much more support.
Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 21:26 16 December 2007

yes and my support is sitting beside me. He just got home from work.
lovethesun
joined 29 Nov 2007
64 posts

send a pm

Posted by lovethesun, 01:24 17 December 2007

yea those weak rays we get in winter do little to improve my mood i cant even feel the radiant heat of the sun because the air is so frigid!
Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 12:13 17 December 2007

know what you mean. the snow has stopped and I will have to blow out the driveway after I come back from the YMCA. I can't miss the exercise.
Summer
Summer
joined 27 Nov 2007
22 posts

send a pm

Posted by Summer, 14:44 17 December 2007

Hi SGL

When I first went to my doctor around 16 years ago with the symptoms, he told me I was either schizophrenic or was taking drugs! Needless to say this put me in a REALLYYY good frame of mind (NOT). I had just moved to another town so I booked into see a more local doctor who sat me down, held my hand, listened to me through the sobs and then said " Have you heard of a condition called Seasonal Affective Disorder?" Which at the time I hadn't. I could have kissed him! He was rather dishy :o) It has proved to me that a second opinion is always a good idea if you're not happy with the first!
Donna
Donna
joined 28 Nov 2002
226 posts

send a pm

Posted by Donna, 16:50 17 December 2007

I agree because years ago one Doctor knew more about sad than me and was very helpful whilst another didn't believe in sad at all and made me feel like a fake! What I said to her was "if you really knew me, you would know that I was putting this on!"
PurpleIvy
PurpleIvy
joined 16 Mar 2005
735 posts

send a pm

Posted by PurpleIvy, 18:23 17 December 2007

My doc didn't know me very well when I first saw him in the winter, I think he was a bit sceptical, treated me for depression, which was fine, it worked. The next spring and summer I was there once again, my normal self, then back in the autumn in a bad way., It was THEN that he realised what I was telling him was true. He has always been supportive, never dismissive about SAD, more well,
'let's see'.
Donna
Donna
joined 28 Nov 2002
226 posts

send a pm

Posted by Donna, 18:29 17 December 2007

They are my favorite type of Doctors lol! Ones that actually listen and believe you!
Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 18:46 17 December 2007

She(GP) seemed to thing that I have up and down moods. Some days are better that others but don't we all get that way. Summer time I am always up even when it is raining out. Comes on in Nov and lasts until end of Feb. They are to quick to give out pills.
I also started on Omega 3 one a day for the first week then 2 a day for the next week. I do feel alittle better for it.
paulst
joined 5 Oct 2005
796 posts

send a pm

Posted by paulst, 19:11 17 December 2007

My most recent doctor, is the best one I have ever seen because when he told me all about sad, told me that, he thought I was suffering from it,I left the doctors with a smile on my face, he was the first to take a real interest in my illness.Why cant all doctors be like that?
Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 19:27 17 December 2007

Because some of them are in it for the money and some are not. I have had trouble with doctors all along. Eveytime I find one that if good they die. Then I finally found one that was good and we had to move. This area hasn't got alot of doctors and they have been trying to get more to come to this area but it has been hard.
paulst
joined 5 Oct 2005
796 posts

send a pm

Posted by paulst, 19:33 17 December 2007

I think one problem, is too many patients, so they just dont have time to talk about the various treatments and just write out the prescription as you sit down, im just so happy to have a good doctor.
Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 19:37 17 December 2007

Ya they get a cut for the prescription and then get paid for the time 15 mins for a 5 min appointment. I went in 3 years ago and sat down to talk. He looked at me and said you are clinical depressed. I was out in 4 mins with a prescription. To fast.
paulst
joined 5 Oct 2005
796 posts

send a pm

Posted by paulst, 19:42 17 December 2007

Its a pity you cant change doctors, I think doctors are paid differently in England, but some of them are still not very good.
Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 19:47 17 December 2007

I know here you are not allowed to switch unless a new one comes to town they just don't have enought and lately there haven't been any coming. Our Population in this town is 30,000 and that includes alot of little towns to make it a city. So it is about 200 square miles. with about 15 different little towns. My GP has about 8,000 Patients or more and thats just at one office he has two. One in one town and one in another.
paulst
joined 5 Oct 2005
796 posts

send a pm

Posted by paulst, 19:54 17 December 2007

Wow, no wonder its difficult for you, just for once, im glad I live in an urban area, mind you I would still love to live in the countryside but only if I could have a doc like mine.
Stained Glass Lady
joined 5 Dec 2007
423 posts

send a pm

Posted by Stained Glass Lady, 20:01 17 December 2007

Ya it is difficult I wish I had the same doctor that I had before we moved. She was great. But she is over 150 miles away. NOT Easy to get to.

Post a reply

Please note, this forum is for issues relating to SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder) and light therapy.

The site is not monitored every day. Offensive posts, including those that blatantly promote products or services, will be removed but should you find something you dont like, please let us know.

To include working links in your post, use [url] at the start and [/url] at the end e.g. Have a look at [url]http://www.lumie.com[/url] for light therapy info

You can edit your message up to 15 minutes after posting.

Please send me an email when someone contributes to this discussion

Please note: submitting a comment will invite you to log in or register for free. Your comment will only display if you log in or register.

Forum terms and conditions.

Contact Us telephone 01954 780500