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Amalthea
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Posted by Amalthea, 01:24 5 February 2008

Dunno if any of you from the UK have access to DVDs or recordings of the Travel Channel's show called "No Reservations." A chef travels the world and eats all kinds of food and meets lots of people... he's a bit of a jerk, but I like him somehow...

Anyhow, I'm watching his show that he filmed in Iceland. It's the 4th DVD of the "No Reservations" series. He talks about how they only get 4 hours of winter... He seems to be struggling with SAD, himself (mentions fatigue, that winter is "depressing"... even jokes that he doesn't need a light box or to drink cod liver oil...)

He says that the Icelanders go to the gym a lot. They're the second longest-lived peoples on the planet (after the Japanese).

It was kind of interesting to see how they cope. It might not work for everyone, of course, but I thought I'd mention.

It's hard to feel like exercising when you're wiped out, but it can help you sleep better at night, which can make you feel better. I exercise 20 minutes each night now, and it's helping me considerably. It's a good mood-booster and I feel so much more rested in the morning after either some simple yoga or 20 minutes of just walking-in-place while watching a TV show.

I'm off to watch some more of this show to see how Tony Bourdain fares out there in Iceland!
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Posted by Linda, 07:03 5 February 2008

My sister-in-law regularly travels to Iceland to do research (she is a geologist). She knows colleagues who have developed SAD while they've been there in the winter. Apparently many of the locals go outside at noon on the darkest days and get a face full of sunshine for a while. We flew over Iceland and Greenland on the solstice, on the way to the USA, and indeed it's a twilight world at this time of year.

My suspicions are that the lack of SAD is due more to the native diet, which includes some pretty amazing things, very healthful. Often disease and other chronic conditions only take a foothold in populations like this once they switch to a Westernised diet. If you'd like to read more about this, you might have a look at the work of Weston A. Price, who travelled around the world and learned about the diets of many native peoples and the effects on their health and their teeth (he was a dentist).
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Posted by Amalthea, 10:24 5 February 2008

Interesting... I might do that!

I was amazed at the amount of fish they ate... That, and lamb stew with loads of veggies. Bourdain seemed to suggest that a lot of people had gym memberships. Heh, it seemed to me that you'd find people either at the bar or at the gym. ;)

I would like to learn to cook more veggies... some Asian food just looks especially tasty, but their cuisine is pretty impenetrable. I've not found a cookbook to show me how to find/select ingredients, how to prepare these and how to cook them. I have been in Asian grocery stores, and it's quite overwhelming. I found a chayote (sp?) but haven't a clue how to use it, for example. Lots of food that I have no idea how to use!

I'm going to say diet would be a good contributor, but I also would stress the importance of exercise. I've just read too much about chronic disease and the benefits of exercise to believe that our bodies can adapt to a sedentary lifestyle.

Unfort, it's these chronic diseases that are most likely to keep us from exercising, whether it be by symptom (pain, fatigue, breathing troubles) or by the possible dangerous effects of overexertion. Really makes me think more about the phrase, "Move it or lose it."

I've been working out 20-30 minutes on weeknights... and I think I'm going to extend that to weekends as well. If I do have fibromyalgia (and it's likely, as I have 11 of 18 trigger points), then they say that if you give up an activity, then you're not likely to "get it back." I'm not experiencing a lot of daily pain now (the Sulindac helps, a non-steriodal anti-inflammatory... AND I apparently still have mild FM, if that's what it is).

I just don't want to let myself get to the point that walking for exercise is beyond my abilities.
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Posted by Me, 17:05 5 February 2008

Amalthea

Sounds like you are doing brilliantly at the moment. It also seems that your brain has kicked in to - excellent.

Ive been banging on about exercise for a while now, it really does fill me with feel good hormones. I couldnt cope without it, thats for sure.

As for diet, Im quite sure that this affects us more than we realise too. Having just cut most sugars and all wheat from my diet - I feel amazing. My body is actually behaving its self now. Even found myself having a indepth conversation with a monk yesterday - I started to panic (as usually my brain lets me down- not this time). It felt really strange, all the words came pouring out. (no brain fog). I got a huge sense of satisfaction.

Still losing weight too. Lost 9lbs now, and Im not trying. The cravings have gone completely. So a trip to the doctors is inevitable as I still havent worked out whether its the wheat, yeast or gluten. Dont want to add them back into the diet as I dont want to go to sleep again!

Hasnt improved my typing skills though, so you will have to put up the errors!

Me x
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Posted by Amalthea, 22:45 5 February 2008

Me, sadly, in order to test for celiac disease, you have to be eating as you usually would. It's not like an allergy... It's like an auto-immune disorder. It has something to do with your body producing antibodies in response to gluten.

So, the test that they run tests for these abnormal conditions that would only be present if you were ingesting gluten. No gluten=no antibodies=possible false negative.

I know it would be hard to go back from how you are feeling right now. I would also like to make changes in my diet, and I am trying to plan... I can up my protein, but I can't eliminate gluten until I know for sure that I'm gluten-sensitive.

Sorry for the news... I just talked to the dietician last night. She also told me that a gastroenterologist would be the one to perform the proper testing. It would be blood tests, and possibly a... uh... bum-scope.
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Posted by Me, 23:34 5 February 2008

woooooooo.....how wonderful - not!!!!!

I really do not think I could put another piece of wheat in my mouth. Almost like an adversion.

I think that I would certainly find it easier to omit wheat, gluten and yeast rather than continue eating sandwiches etc.

I know you are talking sense flower and thats what I must do...... but my brain is thinking again now, and will not let me. Theres gonna have to be a real battle in my head to gain contol of it.

I dont want to feel exhausted all the time anymore!!!!!

Ive just started my aerobics tutoring, I really do not want the brain fog back.... I dont want to be ill again!!


Im raving on, I know Ive got to, but I just DONT WANT TOOOOOOOOOOO!


It maybe candidasis again. I had it 15 years ago and got rid of it then. But then if I have that, then I may have wheat intolerance anyway because its linked with a leaky gut. ARRRRGHHH.

Also, Ive read that quite often a gluten result can come back negative even when there is a problem (and wheat has been consumed as you day!).

I sound like a 'spoilt child', but I just feel like 'Im the cat with the cream who hasnt eaten in weeks'.


Sense it telling me to go to the doctors, my brain is telling me that I dont need to!

Im so very torn!!

Oh the trials and tribulations of modern day living!!

Regards

Me x
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Posted by Amalthea, 00:39 6 February 2008

Me, I know just what you mean. It was a real struggle to come off prednisone for me, because I had clarity of thought... had lots of energy.

But the prednisone is dangerous and has lots of long-term and short-term side-effects. I was already getting leg cramps that put me on the floor for 30 minutes, just crying, begging and praying for it to stop.

Sometimes it's a necessary evil because of my asthma, but I'm worried about bone loss, too.

Besides, part of me is pretty convinced that the reason the cyst in my pituitary gland grew instead of staying the same size was that I'd been on prednisone a bit too liberally for my asthma when I visited my parents (I have bad allergies and asthma, and they have six cats) and when I got bronchitis.

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Posted by Me, 18:17 6 February 2008

Amalthea, you always kindly bring my own health problems into prospective. I suppose thats why I crumbled here yesterday.

The reason why I got so upperty was that I read that we have to take wheat for a continuous period of 6 weeks before testing - that really would knock me out!!

Im off to the docs tomorrow, hope he will start to sort out the pins & needles too - so wish me luck.

Thought about having some wheat this evening and tomorrow morning (still struggling badly with this idea). If I do, I will develop insomnia at some point tonight and end up trying desparately to stay awake at the docs tomorrow. When I do eventually get there Ive got to hope that I can remember the drs name and all of what I want to say.

Lost another pound in weight again yesterday - thats 9.5lbs now. It will settle soon.

Regards

Me x
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Posted by Linda, 07:12 7 February 2008

Me, is there a reason why you would want an official diagnosis of celiac disease? I know a lot of people who are as certain as you are that they are sensitive to gluten and they simply get on with their lives without eating it. You can tell your doctor that this is the case and he/she can fit it into the puzzle for you. In reality, grains do not agree with most people. They contain enzyme blockers and leptins, which are bad for digestion and absorption of nutrients. They raise insulin levels. When you fill up on them, you do not have room to eat more nutrient-dense foods such as veggies. For most people they are not necessary to the diet, as the healthiest carbs come from those veggies.

You might be interested in this article: http://www.mercola.com/article/insulin.htm

If it were me, I would not eat something I knew was poisonous to my body for 6 weeks. Any good doctor would not ask you to do this either. They would listen to what you say about your symptoms.

HTH,
Linda.
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Posted by Amalthea, 10:29 7 February 2008

Went to look at the link. I always struggle with paying attention to websites that are selling things. :(

It might be legitimate info, but I can't be sure it is. I'm more comfortable relying on medical journals and something like the Mayo Clinic sites. I'll be searching for info there when I get time. Haven't had time.

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Posted by PurpleIvy, 12:33 7 February 2008

The benefit of having Coeliac Disease correctly diagnosed in the UK is that you are entitled to help via prescription in the purchase of gluten free foods.

'In reality' most healthy people value grains as good foodstuff as part of a balanced diet. YOu don't have to 'fill up' on them, but take them as part of your diet as a whole. Moderation in all things and especially of processed and convenience foods.

I don't know who I'm quoting here, but it interested me....

"If your grandmother wouldn't recognise it as food.....then put it back!"

At the same time I'm a firm believer in using supplements as and when necessary for optimum nutrition.
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Posted by Amalthea, 12:42 7 February 2008

Interesting! I wonder what US policy is. Probably not as helpful.

Forgive my pessimism. It comes from experience. ;)

I agree... if gluten is not a problem, I'd like to be able to include it in my diet -- with moderation of course. A gluten-free diet can be expensive and very demanding. I honestly don't know that I could do it.
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 12:52 7 February 2008

Maybe reducing gluten would be a good idea for now, rather than trying to cut it out completely. I'll PM you a source you may find useful.

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Posted by Amalthea, 13:11 7 February 2008

I think I'm going to keep on as I have been until I get tested. I'm afraid that any reduction in gluten could cause the test to give a false-negative. :(

I really do appreciate the link, though. It may be something I can use in the near future (after testing)!
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Posted by Me, 13:39 7 February 2008

Hi ya guys - Gosh you have been busy whilst Ive been awaY!! lol

Yes, PI exactly right. coeliac disease entitles you to free prescriptions for gluten free foods here in the UK.

Also coeliac disease can also promote other medical problems too, so its good to dismiss it.

Been to the doctors today......

Well, well, well - he says that I can have a blood test for coeliac disease and i dont need to eat wheat prior to it, so thats cool.

He too has concluded that I am intolerant to wheat, so I'll have to lay off it anyway. He suggested a dietatian, but I really dont need one at the moment.

I mentioned that my symptoms were also possibly related to yeast, he mentioned that he could sort that out for me too.

My pins and needles in my hand... gonna be referred to a rheumatologist. However the rheumatologists secretary she says Id be better off seeing an orthapedic person - so Im a little bemused at the moment!!


I had some wheat yesterday and this morning. Am feeling bloated and have windy pains in my tummy. My cataarh has come back quite badly - like a smokers cough, am tired, but not as bad as I thought. Oh,,and by the way, I did forget the doctors Name - typical!!


Thanks for your help Linda, I'll have a look.

From a very relived.... Me x
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Posted by Me, 13:48 7 February 2008

follow up..

Spoken to doc again...

Now gonna see an orthapedic dr with an arm speciality!!!!!!!!

Oh, and hes not gonna sort out my yeast problem, Im just gonna cutout yeast and sugar. Ive done this before, so thats not a problem, although its limiting.

Wish me luck..

ME x
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 14:35 7 February 2008

ME, looks like you're getting value for money from the health service this month LOL! Also sounds as if you are getting some real support with the GP getting all those referrals.
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Posted by Amalthea, 16:33 7 February 2008

Me, I went the route that you did with your pins and needles in the hand.

I saw an orthopedic doc with a hand/arm speciality.

I had wrist pain, pain in my shoulderblade, pain above my breast and tingling fingers. That's how this all started with me.

I had a bad ortho guy. He said, "WHAT HURTS WORSE?" over and over again until I just gave in and pointed at my wrist. He gave me a shot of ketone/xylocaine, but he didn't put the shot in deep enough, because it apparently ate away the fat tissue on my arm in that spot and left me with a scar.

Most doctors can surely administer the shot correctly. This one was just amazingly unhelpful and incompetant.

He told me I had "neuritis" and dismissed the other areas of my body that hurt.

I should have taken action against him, but he's part of a group of other orthopedic doctors, one of whom had really helped me out.

I got really side-tracked. What I'm trying to say (and failed) is to be careful -- if you think it's something MORE than what a doctor tells you it is, you might have to be insistant.

I hope I get through this SAD season, soon. Every time I think about that doctor, I want to write nasty letters. I've had a rough time of it all lately (with doctors). It's about time I have some better luck!
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Posted by Me, 21:06 7 February 2008

I understand Amalthea..

Just got to wait for the big day now!

Im told he is good, so I have to hope for the best. My only pain is in my elbow, which when pushed, or bent creates the numbness in my fingers - so maybe its to do with a nerve getting caught. I would be happy with that diagnosis.

I would have joined you all earlier, but guess what - I fell asleep for 2 hours!! No more wheat for me anymore!!!!!! yippee.

Gosh, Im starting to get a list of healh problems as long as my arm now.

Me x
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Posted by Me, 21:53 7 February 2008

Just got around to reading the link from Linda.

Interesting ..... i reckon that I have come to the same conclusion independently. - Not eating wheat, not many legumes, no yeast, restricted dairy products and ive added no sugar to that list too. Although I obviously hadnt linked it to what our ancestors ate, I just know I feel better.

No wonder Im losing weight so quickly. Enjoying my food though, and better health too.

I too have previously concluded that since I changed from processed flour etc to wholegrain foodstuffs my problems have increased...So all this is interesting, and throws normal food education on its head a bit. I suppose Im one of the sensitive types...something to do with my reaction to food and my insulin levels.

Not sure that I want to reduce more carbs though. If I takes spuds out of my diet and oats etc, then I really would feel quite starved. It is already very difficult to eat out these days already. Almost all products have wheat in them, or sugar - even sausages and gravy! I tend to eat jacket potatoes with tuna and salad and olives - Ilove olives.

Oh and I quite like tandoori chicken with lemon and salad - thats my takeaway treat!


Hey Ive just realised that my dizzyness has gone too.... brilliant

If all this continues at the same rate Im sure Ill have my SAD symptoms reduced to such an effect that i will not be its victim anymore, Ill be able to control it with an alternative healthy diet, sleep and exercise and some basic vitamin/mineral supplements. Oh and my good ole light box for emergencies...Using it on the kids at the moment, they seem shattered and have mock exams so thought it might help - they may have mild SAD, one of them anyway tends to suffer a little.

Me x

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