17 year old female looking for some answers!

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synchrosteph
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Posted by synchrosteph, 19:29 8 February 2008

There are so many people on here with stories and experiences of SAD and i guess i came on here to try get some answers.
Im a 17 year old girl and i have a feeling i have SAD. I know my dad has it so thats what made me research more into it. I hate winter, i feel so depressed.. apart from those odd days when the sky is blue and the sun is shining when i feel so happy inside.I feel so miserable at college at the moment, dark mornings and evenings, struggle to communicate with people, never go out other than college or work and sit in my room each evenings on my laptop or watching tv. I crave carbohydrates so much, it was only the other evening i had to walk the shop to buy a loaf of bread (ended up eating half of it)and some crisps. I cry some evenings for no reason and i hate it because i know its not really me. My college tutor has noticed a differnce in me the past few months since i started in September.. since the first week of college i got sun burnt!
I only think i have SAD as like i said, the days when the sun is shining and there is not a cloud in the sky, i feel so confident about life and myself.
If anybody else is experiencing things like this id be glad to know =]]
Thanks, Steph
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Posted by Amalthea, 20:46 8 February 2008

Steph,
We can't offer a diagnosis, but the things you mention:

- depression during winter
- feeling better with sunshine
- troubles communicating or even confusion/forgetfulness or desiring isolation
- carb cravings
- tearfulness

All are possible SAD symptoms. I think the official diagnosis requires more than one year to establish a definite seasonal pattern.

I've dealt with a lot of those symptoms myself. It's tough being in college and the one thing that I do regret about it is that I pushed friends away and didn't think I was worthy of their friendship--or that they were truly interested in being my friend.

I would go to knock on their door and then knock so softly that they couldn't possibly have heard... then go away and cry... convinced that if they had heard, they wouldn't want to see me... that I was "weird." Now that I know what it is, I say, "It's just SAD talking" and I push myself harder.

Try to make the most out of life and you'll be happier for it in the long run. I should have spent more time with friends! :)

Hope this helps.

Heather
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Posted by Me, 21:14 8 February 2008

Gosh Amalthea, that really does ring true!!

Steph what you are writing sounds very similar to what I have been through for years. SAD can also run in families so it is possible that you have SAD, but as we are not doctors we can not diagnose for you.. sorry.

As your symptoms are very similar to ours then maybe you might like to find support here for a bit. If you do have SAD you may be feeling a little better in a few weeks - but I bet you know that already what with your dad and your research.

Does your dad have a lightbox?

Take Care flower

Me x
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Posted by synchrosteph, 21:28 8 February 2008

Yeah my dad has a lightbox, well i think he still has it, i remember him using it most mornings when i was younger and now i understand why he goes abroad as much as possible over winter.
I know you cant diagnose anything for me, but im just scared, being so young, doctors seem to thing we are so nieve.
Im on my own at the moment, my boyfriend is at work, im feeling so alone. I guess i just need someone to talk to since i havnt really got many friends at the moment, since Amalthea you are so right about what you say about friends and pushing them away and not feeling worthy. If i am ok with them and happy they think its weird that im acting differently and still dont want to know!
Thanks for your support, and i guess i will have to pluck up courage to go to see my doctor when i get home (as im at my boyfriends in the south of england.. which yes is nicer weather which is good!)
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Posted by Me, 21:30 8 February 2008

Can you see if you can dig out your dads lightbox?

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Posted by Me, 21:34 8 February 2008

Friends have always ben an issue for me, they always seemed to fall out with me and I never knew why!

I find that even now I have an invisible guard, which pops up to separate me from others so I dont get hurt. It happens when I feel vunerable, hurt or when my SAD kicks in. As I also have trouble finishing sentences, due to brain fog, that also creates a type of anxiety that creates problems with friends. I tend to appear superficial, Im not, Im just lost in my brain and I cant remember things and I therefore cn not hold deep conversations at all. At times like that I think that people hate me - they might hae a slight dislike, but it hurts like mad - silly really!!

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Posted by synchrosteph, 21:38 8 February 2008

I dont live with my dad and only see him once a week, i think im too ashamed to tell him about it. I guess its my self confidence =[[

And just thinking about things, i have felt like this for a couple of years now, so its not as if its just come on this winter.. Also, during december, start of january, I struggled to sleep so much, i was waking up 6 times per night and once morning i couldnt get back to sleep.
Its better now, thankfully!
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Posted by Me, 21:55 8 February 2008

Its pros and cons I suppose.

If your dad has a box, then dont be afraid to ask for a try. You dont have to have SAD to get a benefit from the lightbox.

It may help you.

Not pushing you flower, just trying to build your confidence, there is nothing wrong with feeling the way you are feeling - its how we deal with it that counts. I reckon you could do with some support.

Going to the doctors is a good idea too, Just having someone to listen to you and understand you is really helpful. Im still not sure about whether Lightboxes are available on loan on the NHS. - my gut feeling is that it is available in some areas but not others. So thats worth checking out too!

The other thing you can do for yourself is exercise. Wonderful stuff is exercise. It releases happy hormones and helps hugely.

After a rocky start this year, Im feeling hugely better now, so feelings can change and you can feel better with support.

Me x
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Posted by Amalthea, 23:22 8 February 2008

Me - wow.. one of my worst fears is that I'll look superficial to other people. And, one of the things I value most when looking for friends and even a partner is depth and a lack of superficiality. I've got to really think on what you've said. It's scary, what can be going on that we don't recognize as SAD. I often tell myself, "That's not me talking... that's the SAD talking." It helps to be able to "put a finger on it."

synchrosteph: if anyone is really likely to understand what you're going through, it's another person who has SAD. Your father is probably just as self-conscious about it as you are, and it might help him to know that there is someone else who understands.

The lightbox made a tremendous difference for me. If there's any chance you could ask him if you can have a "trial run" of it to see if it will help you, that'd probably be a good thing to do for your sake.

I used to go through a cycle with friends... every year in Jr. High and High school, I would have a new group of friends. It was the SAD-cycle that was making me shy away from people and then come around again in time to make all new friends.

Me, there was a gathering in the back office at work today and I wasn't included. I thought for sure they were talking about me. I sat in the front feeling really self-conscious and hurt. It turns out they were looking at photographs of someone's travels!

I am a perfectionist. I guess there's hardly anything worse than a "perfectionist SADDIE." I make a mistake, I hate myself and am convinced everybody noticed my mistake, hates me, and will never ever forget that I made the mistake! No matter how small the mistake! I actually sometimes have to pay attention to when other people make mistakes -- tell myself that they're not perfect either, watch how people react to their mistake, and think about how I feel about their mistake... Oftentimes, my perceptions of my mistakes are grossly out-of-proportion! That's just my "SAD brain" talking!

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Posted by synchrosteph, 14:07 9 February 2008

Thanks for everybodys support and advice, its made me happier knowing their are people out there who understand.
Went out for a run a few hours ago, lovely sunny and warm, made me feel good =]]
Probably off to attempt my college work now!
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Posted by Me, 20:32 9 February 2008

Amalthea, rings so true.

If someone gives me a funny look I become self conscious when Im ill. They probably had wind at the time, but I just think its a look of distaste. When Im well I can rethink my thinking, when ill, it completely gets me down, and incredibly hard to shrug off. Lots of occasions like this and I become a bit of a wreck.

I must again let you know that there is hope because Im hugely better this winter.

Synch..
Glad to hear you are feeling better today. Even if you dont have SAD exercise is brilliant in lifting the mood, particularly when its sunny.

Me x
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Posted by kaz_me, 22:29 9 February 2008

Wow... Me and Amalthea... Pretty much everything u guys have said here is like ur talking about me...
Even to the 'new set of friends every year' thing. I have very few friends who I've been friends with for longer than a year or so - I just keep meeting new people all the time and spending time with them - but then often losing contact when I have bad periods...
I am also very paranoid and think everyone hates me or is talking about me all the time - I know in reality they're not (or I hope so!) but it doesn't help me!
Synchrosteph - It's amazing the support you do get on here and the fact that whatever you're saying or thinking, someone else will know exactly what u mean - good luck hun!! xx
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Posted by Amalthea, 22:42 9 February 2008

Yes, I really wish I had friendships that go back years and years like a lot of people do.

The unfortunate thing is, people with SAD may "undo" their social networks that other people take for granted.

Unfortunately, in the wintertime, my lack of strong social bonds tends to make me feel more like a non-person. The lack of energy makes me feel like a non-person. My inability to remember things makes me feel like a non-person.

I used to self-harm because of all that. The pain reminded me that I could still feel something. Haven't self-harmed for years because I know now that it's just the SAD and things will eventually improve.
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Posted by Me, 22:47 9 February 2008

Well, I personally would say that you haVe made some pretty strong cyber bonds here flower!


Kazme

You must have the same problem as me then. Remembering all their names. Lots of familiar faces smile at me in the street, but can I remember where I know them from? and remembering their names is an impossibility. It would be easier to have a few close friends but that is impossible.

mE X
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Posted by kaz_me, 23:12 9 February 2008

Me - that happens all the time!!!!!! In fact I had an email from a guy about 10 minutes ago who I just had no idea who he was!! He obviously knew me tho!
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Posted by Me, 23:18 9 February 2008

Oh well at least that was interesting!!.. Mine are generally other mothers and shop assistants ..... I think!!

Me x
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Posted by synchrosteph, 19:22 13 February 2008

Today has been such as miserable day for me, woke up and it was very foggy then went into town (on such a downer) as it brightened up a little and surprise surprise came back with nothing then the fog came back. Just sat here now thinking what a waste today was =[[

I guess now is the time to reflect upon the past two evenings where i have been on such a low that ive had panic attacks - about things i had when i was younger. I hate them and feel so alone, but the thing is, nobody understands how im feeling and if they even try, i cant bring myself to talk about it as it scares me so much, i just want people to be there for me but understand that i cant talk about it!

I doubt many people on here wouold understand but i thought i would say it as one thing leads on to another, and in my case it is the sadness leading on to this!
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Posted by Me, 22:03 13 February 2008

Steph

Ive Just popped back into the forum for a quick minute to see whats up since I disappeared!!

You do sound low. PLease remember that the sun is only above the clouds - really. We have had four fantastically sunny days and I feel on cloud nine. Its only a matter of time till you get your share flower.

Chin up, and keep going, the sun will be joining you soon too - and its fantastic!!

Me x
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Posted by Amalthea, 00:26 14 February 2008

I've had panic attacks... you get scared to have another and then that just turns into a bad cycle.

Can you go and have a nice soak in the tub? Read a good book... Do a little exercise? The exercise is the best, as it will release endorphins which will make you feel better physically and emotionally.

Hang in there!

Heather
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Posted by Nickyj14, 10:56 15 February 2008

Steph, your story sounds so familiar. I first started getting symptoms of SAD when I was about your age but I didn't understand what was wrong with me until a couple of years ago, so in that way you're in a fortunate position because you will be able to do things to help yourself. I knew I was depressed in the winter but never made the connection between my mood and the amount of light I was getting. I felt like a complete stranger to myself and used to cry all the time for no reason when I was at university. I was afraid I would lose all the friends I had made in September and I would try to avoid them. I got the carb cravings too. I feel like I have much more control over things now. I've got a light box which I use every day and I exercise and get outside as often as I can. I also take Omega 3 which is suppose to help. This website is very helpful and comforting, it's good to know you're not alone. Could you afford to buy a light box of your own? I think you can try them out before you buy on Lumie. Also, you could have a look on ebay, you can get some cheaper ones, which might not be as good as the expensive ones but maybe it's better than nothing. It needs to be 10.000 lux though. Hang in there Steph, Spring is almost here and we'll all start to feel a lot better!
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Posted by synchrosteph, 18:17 15 February 2008

When i finally get paid from work i could probably afford one but by then it will be spring and my problems will be solved (bring on the sunshine!)
Hoping to get out climbing in the Peak District tomorrow so looking forward to some sunshine!
Thanks again for everybodys support
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Posted by Donna, 11:57 17 February 2008

www.sad-lighthire.co.uk/

www.healthy-house.co.uk/products/sad_light_box_rentals.php?gclid=CLeV1OySy5ECFQaLEgodbE-F2g

Hi Steph,

Above are a couple of website where you csn hire lightboxes from if you want to try them first? I haven't looked into these site so not sure how expensive they are and you may find cheaper ones out there by searching but wanted to try to help as soon as possible after reading your post.

My dad suffered from SAD for years too. He doesn't get it as bad now so I hope I grow out of it too!

Please don't feel ashamed about SAD. It's difficult when this sort of thing happens at your age especially when you have to deal with all sorts of things teenages do (hormones, growing up etc) I remember it well and hated the way I felt. I felt very conscious about the way I looked. I would spend ages getting ready before leaving the house which still happens in the winterdie to feeling very nervous about going out socializing.

Every winter was worse. My Mum noticed my moods changed every September and I would become a hermit! I didn't realise that keep my curtains shut actually made my SAD worse but at the time, I didn't want to go out or see the day or speak to anyone at all!

Light therapy can really help so good luck. Also, keep up the running as exercise really helps with SAD symptoms.

Take care honey,

Donna x

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Posted by hbk2007, 02:41 19 February 2008

Hi steph it does seem alot like you have s.a.d,
and being pretty much the same age as you im guessing you also get that feeling of not wanting to go out with friends as much as you would when its not winter??
Its good that you now know what your dealing with, most people here have said what will help. But also you have everyone here to support you aswell
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Posted by synchrosteph, 21:00 22 February 2008

Im hoping to try get through the next few weeks without going for the lightbox and hopefully next october ish see if it comes around again as im certain ive felt it for a few years now and want to be definate, as yes i do feel ashamed and i cant admit it, im suffering really badly at college, and at risk of dropping my community sports leaders award ive just started on every thursday, even my tutor said im so miserable all the time! i cant explain as they would probably think im stuoid or making up an excuse.. as after all in her eyes only a kid!!
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Posted by Minnie, 00:19 23 February 2008

So much of what I have read on this thread rings true for me...

especially the part about not believing that your friends truly want to be friends with you. I used to get this a lot (better this year). I too would knock on a friends door too quietly and then berate myself believing that they had heard and were ignoring me. I had an occassion the other week where I went into a shop to see a friend who worked there. I saw him and called his name, but he didn't turn round. I was so convinced that he knew i was there and was ignoring me, that despite standing half a foot behind him, i left the shop without saying another word. The following week I mentioned to him that I had been in the shop and sure enough he didn't have a clue that I had even been there!

Silly SAD!
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Posted by Minnie, 00:30 23 February 2008

Another big thing for me has been learning to forgive myself for making mistakes - especially social mistakes. I often feel very out of sync with the rest of the world when i am suffering from SAD and sometimes I get it wrong when i'm trying to fit in - like laugh to loud or tell a joke that isn't funny and I end up feeling horrible and alien and stupid. I used to get very particular about getting it right and if a friend ignored me (didn't see me) I would feel very angry with myself. I used to self-harm alot because I felt that the only way I could put this right was to give myself a punishment to fit the crime. I didn't realise at the time that I wasn't committing a crime. This was not a good road for me and it took a long time for me to realise that it was okay to get this wrong sometimes and really the things i thought i was getting wrong, were no big deal at all.

I haven't self-harmed for a while now. Things are really looking up for me.

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Posted by Amalthea, 13:02 23 February 2008

Minnie,
I also used to self-harm, but I think my last episode was 3-5 years ago or so. When I was in jr. high and high school, I self-harmed a lot.
I did it because I felt so empty inside that I felt reassurance to feel any kind of physical pain. It made me feel like a human being. I guess I also felt that I deserved it, but not because of what I'd done but just for who I am.
Thankfully, the turbulence of my teenage years is over and well-behind me and that helps so much. It's terrible when you're that age and struggling for meaning and to establish an identity but you feel so empty inside! I think I'm more secure in myself now, but there are plenty of times when SAD knocks me back and I feel empty. At least I know it's the SAD and not "me."
Sometimes I'm convinced that people are talking about me. I listen in on conversations more, especially at work. I immediately assume they're about me. I'd love to get some advice on how to stop myself from feeling that way, if anyone else has had success in that. I'm my own worst enemy!

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Posted by Me, 01:20 25 February 2008

All this rings so very very true.

I have the same fomat to help me when I am ok and when I am baren. I try to rethink my thinking.

Its brilliant when Il ok, but its so very very hard when low. Sometimes it tires me out and I just think that I am only existing to rethink my thinking.

I just seem to be giving, giving, giving, giving, giving......but am unable to accept complements and gestures back. Infact I had a little shout at my partner the other day about it - screaming for attention you could say!!

Im quite sure you all understand. Its like reaching out for attention without the ability to get past my self-destruct wall. I try to punch a hole through with small success. Then I feel like the whole world is collapsing and I feel baren

If anyone has any ideas, Id be more than interested too!

Love to all

Me x

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