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Summer
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Posted by Summer, 20:50 18 May 2008

Hello again everyone. :o) lost my original log in details but managed to register again using the same details !!??!! (Admin might want to look into that!).

I have a bit of an epic for you and would like your thoughts/knowledge on the matter.

I have been diagnosed with SAD for the past 15 years or so. Out of those 15 years I have been bad enough to take meds on 4 occasions (two of which have been winter just gone and the one before) My place of work know that I suffer from SAD, they are used to seeing my desklight (lumie) shining away. Now... three weeks ago I was moved from the top floor of the building on the south west corner to the ground floor North facing side. MMmmm So from a bright airy office to the basement basically. I had literally begged to be sited on the North west corner so at least I could get some natural daylight/sunshine at some point of the day. The answer was no because some other dept wanted the area. So I've been placed along with my dept on the north facing back wall. Next to a window but there is no sunshine on that side of the building at any point during the working day. I am really upset and feel that the powers that be are not taking my condition seriously. I don't just feel 'a bit fed up' in the winter, I have full blown SAD. I've tried talking to everyone in my management heirachy but they're just not listening to me. I'm beginning to get anxious and have had a number of anxiety attacks over the last week or so. It's very dull and claustrophobic where I am now and I am already panicing about what this autumn/winter will hold. I'm getting to the point where I feel I have no other option but to leave the job I have loved for the past 5 years. I don't want to continue taking Prozac every year and was hoping to make some changes this year until the move was decided. I've been bad the last two years and I think that was because I moved desks in my original position from sitting facing the window to sitting with my back to it.

Can any of you give me some advice? How do any of you others manage to cope? Am I just getting stressed about nothing?
James
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Posted by James, 22:51 18 May 2008

Hey Summer,

That's a shame that they have done that to you. I Don't think they will ever take into consideration one person when it comes to something like this.

What they could and should do is install lightbox type lights and lamps all around your office.

That's a simple effective way of solving the problem just like if someone was in a wheelchair and required a ramp. Or if someone had bad hearing and needed a loop ( I think that's what they call it).

But unless you rake through a human rights/employee rights web site- which I had to do at college, I think the powers that be will continue to discriminate against depressed people like yourself.

Here is a link to some info on employee rights to start off
http://www.thesite.org/workandstudy/working/workersrights/discriminationatwork
Summer
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Posted by Summer, 14:06 19 May 2008

Hi James.

Thank you for your reply. It's nice to think that at least someone is listening.

One of the reasons I'm getting so worked up is because the dept that do have the area I thought my team should have, have switched off all the lights in their area and keep the blinds closed because 'it's too bright'. And yet they made such a fuss about sitting there!

I find at the moment I'm having my lumie desklight on all day and this is causing a problem as the people now sitting behind me are complaining that it's distracting them. If I am told to switch off the light I think I shall be walking out of my job! That would be the final straw.
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Posted by Suzie, 16:12 19 May 2008

Sorry to hear you are having problems Summer. Like James says unless you want to trawl through all the employee rights and actually take it further formally you may have a fight on your hands.

Depression is classed as a disability and SAD is classed as a depressive illness so really they should take into account that your illness is a disability. If you are anything like myself I don't like to portray myself as being disabled and just try and get on with it.

I had a similar problem when I was using my light in my previous employment. A lady who worked there made my work life a living hell. If I had my light on and she came into the office she would storm out, muttering under her breath and slamming doors, telling other members of staff that it was all mind over matter. This put me under a terrible amount of pressure.

I hope you don't have to leave your job, do you work for a large employer or is it a small business? I am sure if you cover all areas and ask for them to take your illness into consideration and they don't and you have to leave you would be able to take matters further, ie a tribunal.

Maybe a visit to citizens advice would be helpful or a letter from your GP explaining how the move will be depremental to your health.
James
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Posted by James, 15:09 27 July 2008

How did you get on with your plight?

I noticed there is a cafe in Glasgow called Tomato and they claim to have SAD lights. Although I went in and there was only one little crappy light that would have absolutely no effect as it's too far away from where anyone sits.

But at least it shows it can be done.
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Posted by Peckhampoet, 15:36 29 August 2008

I get so upset reading threads like this becasue SAD IS classified as a disability and IF you reached the point where your employer referred you to a medical consultant that is what they should be saying. My employer got my light box for me under the Access to work scheme and we work together on making sure it doesnt upset people (and I work with a lot of people with sight problems!) On th eplus side the guy who sits opposit me now positively loves my light being on. Do what you need to do to stay well.
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Posted by Sue, 13:15 2 September 2008

I wear a light visor at work because I'm up and down from the desk like the proverbial yo-yo, and moving from place to place on a regular basis.

For about two or three winters there would be snide, subtle and not so subtle comments. I would patiently say my piece, trying to educate people. Some listened and remembered; some had 'forgotten' by the following winter and it all started again.

Finally I'd had enough. An understanding colleague and I let it be known that if it continued I would be consulting my professional equivalent of a shop steward about discrimination against people with disabilities.

There hasn't been a murmur since.

Sue
Richard
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Posted by Richard, 08:53 3 September 2008

I went through a similar issue around 6 years ago, working in an office with the blinds constantly closed due to Computer screens etc. My manager wasnt at all interested and said unless I had a Dr's Letter about SAD he wasnt interested. I went and saw my Dr who referred me to a Consultant psychologist (needed to get a diagnosis). After an hour with him he confirmed I had SAD and said he would send me and my Dr a letter confirming the condition.

I took the Letter into work and now there was a whole change in attitude, I was told to contact the Health and Safety officer re getting a SAD lamp, unfortunately the next stumbling block came along, he didnt want any special desk lamp being provided as it may affect other people so back to square one.

luckily about this time I had a change of Manager who was based in Spain. As I had no direct contact in the UK he was happy for me to work from home ( where I have a Lumie desk lamp and visor ).

I havent looked back since and winters arent nearly so bad even though I have less interaction with work colleagues all in all its much better. Into the bargain I rarely get colds etc in winter now which I put down to no air con distributing the germs.

Richard
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Posted by Amalthea, 00:36 5 September 2008

I'm all-too-aware of how demoralizing it is to not have co-workers who understand.

One of my co-workers, truly a dear friend of mine, just doesn't get it. There is someone else who works closely with us who has SAD. In the wintertime, he comes across as scatter-brained and slow. I know he has a lightbox that he uses at work. My co-worker has made comments about him to me. I tried to explain about the winter-time and how lack of light during the day makes you tired ... I left it at that. It wasn't long before she commented again about him. I truly think she doesn't mean any harm... but I get defensive for his sake because I'm in the same boat. Probably not so severely as he is.

I think we've tried to bring it up with each other, but I think I've answered awkwardly as I, too, was struggling with SAD at the time. I wish we could talk openly with each other. I'm sure neither of us wants our co-workers to know more than they already have had to know.

Anyhow, it's somewhat off-topic. I'm truly sorry you're having a tough time. I don't know if my boss understands though once I tried to explain it to her. I wish I knew I could trust people and not regret having opened up and been honest.

I have a light at my desk. It's a bright full-spectrum lamp. Not a therapy lamp, but I felt drawn to it when it was a demo at the store. It helps me get through my day, and I'm fortunate to sit where it doesn't disturb others. I direct it partially at the white wall so that it helps but doesn't give me headaches from the intensity of it.


Summer
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Posted by Summer, 17:03 6 September 2008

Thanks everyone for your comments. I thought I'd give you a bit of an update.
Well, I'm still sitting in the cupboard. Had a visit from H&S who made reccomendations (which haven't been acted on ), advised me to ask my Dr for a letter for my employer which I did and handed it in (nothing happened) I'm still getting the 'comments' from colleagues. Light is still on all day (the miserable grey weather doesn't help and on top of being in the cupboard with little light it's a recipie for SAD). I'm still struggling on because there is a little chink of light at the end of the tunnel. I'm hoping to be able to work from home more often in the near future! :o) Shall be sitting in the conservatory all day!
I just wish that employers would take the condition more seriously.
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Posted by sqr, 20:47 8 September 2008

Summer, hang in there but if it gets too much can you try topping up your exposure at home? I found dawn assistance almost as usefull as sitting in front of the light for 30 minutes. I also preferred Lustral because the tablets could be broken in half or quarter so I could reduce my dose to suit me (which I must point out might not be recommended by your doctor). I wonder how long before employers are forced to provide correct light, I mean we know the law requires it but someone is going to get their a$$ sued sooner or later. Sweden I believe takes this kind of thing very seriously.
lovethesun
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Posted by lovethesun, 21:04 28 September 2008

too bad your guys cant work from the sunny tropics in winter.thats so mean .i think access to sunlight is as important as food and water

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