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sandyb
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Posted by sandyb, 22:19 21 August 2008

Can't believe it ... it's normally September or even October when I get the first symptoms but the incessant rain and clouds seem to have brought it on earlier this year.

Already shattered, craving my own company, and upset a friend cos just completely forgot we were meant to be meeting ... time to get the sunlamp out and hope this year it works!

Hope everyone else is still feeling good!

Sandy
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Posted by paulst, 20:30 22 August 2008

Hi Sandy, im sorry you are feeling low, I ve been a bit up and down in the last few days, I hope we get at least a few sunny days soon, (wish I had the money to live in Spain).
Take care and hope your lamp helps you to feel better soon.


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Posted by OBE, 07:41 23 August 2008

Hey!
Sorry to hear about early symptoms Sandy.
I need some friendly advice and words of comfort myself...
I've started dating a girl about 6 weeks ago. Everything has been going great, we were both smitten. I kinda picked up bad vibes last Sunday and just thought it was me thinking too deeply into stuff but this week contact has been a bit sparse too. Anyway we went to the pictures last night and I felt really anxious and edgy and i knew it was noticeable. Anyway after some small talk i asked if we were ok and mentioned last weekend and she said I was different but didn't know why which made her uneasy. I knew why, I could feel it last weekend and this week... it was this bulls*it coming back to rape my life of all pleasure again! (sorry for the colourful language)
This girl is fantastic, funny, really beautiful and a pleasure to be around but I'm pretty sure i'll end up losing her because of this.
My mood is flat, i'm anxious and irritable NOT ME... i'm not the person she met and fell for!
I think i may have been over doing it on the light therapy which has killed my sleep pattern, i'm waking really early 3 or 4 in the morning with insomnia and the anxiety has shot up from nowhere so i think i'll back off a bit... think too much is as bad as too little.
I'm lonely... really lonely... i'm tired of being on my own but find it hard to get relationships going due to the obvious. Don't get me wrong I seem to have coped really well these last couple of years with light and SJW but i haven't started early enough this year (been caught out)
What do i tell this girl? It would gut me to lose her but how can you expect her to understand she will just want the guy she met weeks ago, she doesn't need this crap.
I can't understand how you guys on here have got partners? How did you manage to hide stuff from them and act normal in the early stages?
Sorry for the rant guys but as you can see i'm a brassed off.
Any advice and words of comfort greatly appreciated.
Regards OBE
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Posted by OBE, 07:43 23 August 2008

I've tried uploading a new profile pic so shouldn't be long. I can appreciate some people don't like the bum!
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 11:03 26 August 2008

People shouldn't be so easily offended OBE. You have a gorgeous bum!

I have been married for 22 years now, no signs for some of that time...although when I think back...for some reason dh finds that it's worth staying. I am an excellent cook, maybe that has something to do with it. Can't be anything else, you know what it's like on medication!!LOL (not LOL, cackling hysterically!)

I hope that you are able to get the new relationship back on track. Sounds like you are a lovely person and deserve a great relationship.
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Posted by Amalthea, 13:57 26 August 2008

I just wish the picture was more work-friendly. I visit here from work if I'm feeling kind of down or lonely.

Personally, it's not something I'm interested in seeing, in any event. It's a pleasure to talk to OBE, tho.

I was in a relationship for 10 years and I ended it because the guy I was seeing said that his parents' owed him, and I wanted to see him show that he was interested in becoming financially independent of them, but at the time he told me he was lying to his parents about visiting temp agencies -- that he stayed home when he told them he'd gone out looking.

He knew about SAD, of course, and was supportive. I sometimes worry about starting a new relationship and having to say at some point, "Look, I have a tough time in the winter-time." I get lonely sometimes, but my brain steps in and says that "no relationship at all is better than a bad relationship." I've spent some time re-investing efforts in my OWN interests and un-weaving those things that I learned I only liked because I was dating someone... Even down to TV shows that I thought I enjoyed but realized I don't!

I did meet someone on the bus on Saturday. He initiated the conversation and was very pleasant and polite. It was a rare time that I actually asked someone, "Hey, I enjoyed talking with you. Do you want to chat again sometime?" He asked for my email address and I haven't yet heard from him. It hurts a little. I'm still vaguely hopeful. Part of me wonders if I said something wrong. Part of me keeps saying, "Don't be silly, it's only Tuesday -- maybe he's been busy, or he's trying not to look over-eager." And then I'm warning myself not to get too emotionally involved... the whole sha-bang that I always tell myself I won't go through, but always do.

Truth is, relationships can't be forced... they just happen. A lot of harm comes from anxieties and rushing things.

In the meantime, I've found a lot of satisfaction in spending time "untangling" myself from the last relationship. I took up some interests because it brought my ex and I together and now I'm finding out that I actually don't enjoy those TV programs, movies, discussions that I thought I did... I have very different opinions. That's what scares me about a relationship... I'm glad to explore new things, but I wish I could honestly assess whether or not I was still being "me" or if I was compromising and at least just be honest with myself. It's OK if I compromise knowingly and not blindly. I've seen myself start to fall head-over-hills and I've been really let-down... It's a scary rollercoaster ride. Sometimes I see it happening and I can't seem to stop it.

I live for the emotional high... the "fun" of it, and so I'm much more at risk for "hitting bottom" as well.

As for SAD, do you think the other person you met is perfect in every way? I think we all have our imperfections, problems and insecurities. I think there are two things that can be very damaging in relationships: anxiety and rushing things. And I recognize both in myself... best thing is to be aware and try to control it... wait for the proper times and take things slowly.

If she's noticed that something's changed, it's probably best to be honest and tell her you're doing your best with it. Find a way to explain it that's not overcomplicated or overly emotional. I tell people matter-of-factly (if they ask/notice) that when it gets darker in the wintertime, my brain gets the signal that "It's dark, time to sleep!" I say that when you're tired a lot, it can affect your mood. I tell them that I'm doing my best to make sure I feel better.

Things might not always be that rosy for you... You know how hard it is and sometimes SAD just overwhelms you despite your best efforts -- but at least it prepares the other person to at least understand why you're acting the way you are. I hope this helps out... it's definitely a tough thing and you have to think about how you are most comfortable explaining it and what it might sound like to someone else hearing about it for the first time.
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Posted by samleona, 14:29 26 August 2008

Hi all,
Just to say I'm starting to feel it now too. It's not usually this early so I wasn't expecting it, but I did see a Dr on TV saying the light levels were particularly low this summer.

I haven't checked in since the spring but thought I'd have a look to see if others were starting to feel the same. It makes me feel a bit more normal then!!
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Posted by OBE, 15:09 26 August 2008

Hey thanks for the replies peeps.
It's all gone pair shaped by the look of things with regards to said lady.
I've been coming down with a virus or flu type thing and it finally hit this bank hol weekend so i was in bed and on the sofa when all the nice weather was here... i can't explain how soul destroying that was! So anyway i got a text saying that there was something seriously wrong if I didn't want to spend time with her over the weekend and it was best we call it a day! I had already told her i was ill and would get in touch if i picked up but there you go she obviously thought i was fibbing.
I can't believe how good i felt 2 weeks ago and how absolutely rock bottom i feel now!
Do others on here have problems with frequent illnesses? I seem to get something every other week which doesn't fit in with my lifestyle and appears excessive to say the least.
Anyway i think i'll cut this short because i can feel a massive depressing yarn coming on.
Regards OBE
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Posted by Amalthea, 01:01 27 August 2008

OBE,
I'm sorry things didn't work out. It was very unfair of her to demand your presence, especially when you're feeling under the weather. You have a right to be angry with her. Would you ever demand that she be with you even though she's sick?
It's truly sad when something goes sour like that, but I think the fault is hers... not yours.
I used to be ill a lot more than I am now. I used to get bronchitis all the time... Just being sick a lot would feed the depression.
OBE, can you go and make an effort to pamper yourself a bit? Take a soak in the tub, watch a movie, go out and get a walk, spend some time on a hobby... You need to take your mind off this. It sounds like she wasn't going to treat you right. I'm so sorry.

Heather
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Posted by OBE, 23:57 27 August 2008

Thank you very much for showing an interest Heather it's greatly appreciated.
After some persuasion by a well intended family member I made contact with her today just to be utterly bamboozled by womens logic! Definitely think it was duff advice and i should have played the long ball.
Not to worry you live and learn.
I'm going to try and take the positives out of this and move on.
The thing is I liked the going out places and the companionship, i don't like pubs and drinking and blokes really so it means i'll be back to weight lifting and mountain bikes and swimming which looks fantastic from the outside but really if we're honest is a load of bollocks!
Thanks again Heather.
Regards OBE
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Posted by Amalthea, 11:12 28 August 2008

OBE,
Heh, women's logic... My brain sometimes works overtime and I think too much, over-complicate simple things. Sometimes it's no use talking to me about it. Just makes me chuckle, what you said. It's true. ;)

I'm glad you're moving on. I know what it's like to be lonely, and I know what you're saying. When I left that guy I was dating (for 10 years), I thought I'd just suck it up and move on, but I found I was crying a lot and felt terrible. I thought, "I broke up with HIM! Why should I be so upset?" I cried it out, saw a therapist briefly, and figured out that I was just sad not to have someone to talk to about how my day went, or just for company and it was hard for me to adjust to living alone. I also had expectations and hopes that I had to accept weren't going to happen with this particular guy.

I don't like going to bars or clubs to meet people, so I sometimes wonder if I'm just out of luck, but then someone comes along out of the blue. I didn't get an email from that guy I talked to on the bus but it gives me hope there will be other opportunities. And, I know there will probably be more let-downs but that's life. I've just got to keep my head about me and think about what I want out of life. In the past, I was much more likely to compromise than I am now.

Good luck to you, OBE.

Heather
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Posted by Hadrian, 17:02 8 September 2008

I feel for you OBE,many a relationship of mine has gone down the swanny in Autumn.!My parents used to joke that I did it so I didn't have to spend money on girlfriends at Xmas!
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Posted by Me, 13:40 9 September 2008

hi ya guys, sorry OBE I missed this thread earlier in the week.

When i read you first message I was gona say that it is best to be open, so that the other person can understand what is going on. If it is the right person they will hang around - the wrong person will not.

Unfortunately, looks like perhaps she wasnt the right person for you chuck. It takes a very special person to live with someone with SAD. I found one so it is possible.

It is hard for the partner though. He often thinks that I have an issue with him as a partner. From time to time I have to remind him that my brain finds it hard to love myself during SAD times so therefore I can not understand why anyone else can love me and I tend to push them away. IGenerally I get a cuddle then and it breaks the ice a little.

I really feel for you OBE, do all you can to stay afloat chuck, we are floating with you.

I mention floating because our whole area has been completely flooded and my leisure centre is badly affected. Looks like it will be shut for 6 months thats if it does reopen! So Im worried about my health too as I need exercise to improve my mood..

Take care

Goodness me, what a year!!!

Hi Amalthea, good to see you back again

Me x
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Posted by OBE, 16:32 10 September 2008

Hey thanks for all the replies and best wishes peeps they're most appreciated.
Apologies to Sandyb as I feel like i've stolen this thread.
Unfortunately I'm unable to write anything positive or constructive as I've descended rapidly into madness ha ha ha (evil laugh) Seriously i'm amazed at how quickly i've changed into a completely different person. My brain seems to be consumed by negativity and despair... I can't spend my life on this emotional rollercoaster any longer, i've got to fix this for good. I can't face the prospect of taking prescription meds, i've been there and tried several and the upheaval is too great to go through again. I think the SJW route worked quite well last year and I can remember on several occasions thinking to myself that my mood was very stable, so i'm going to stick with it.
I think I should have possibly stayed on a low dose through the summer to maintain and then increased again about now. I'm feeling really wired in the mornings and intensely anxious with hot and cold flushes, dry eyes etc which i'm pretty sure is because it's early days and eventually this will settle down ( i should be able to remember from last year but my brains like a jigsaw puzzle at the mo)
I would appreciate anyones experiences with dosage and intervals with sjw.
I'm taking 2 in the morning and then 1 late morning 334mg each but upon further research i think possibly taking 1 at 3 separate occasions might be better.
Apologies for my dismal post and i hope you are all weathering the storm with a smile.
Kindest regards OBE
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Posted by Me, 22:06 10 September 2008

Hi ya OBE - Im about to go on about exercise again so brace yourself!!

Getting the heart rate up and releasing 'happy hormones' is a brilliant natural way to feel better too. I find that I have to do something most days though, a bit like you would sit in front of your light - but a little more active - unfortuately! Beware though, after the inital 'I cant be bothered with that scenerio' you may get hooked!!

Take care 'OBE-one-can-0-be' sorry couldnt resist it! Apologies -mood now improving thanks to 5htp.

Me xx

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Posted by charchar, 13:12 11 September 2008

Cant get my brain working right now but somewhere along the line i totally agree with OBE i know how your feeling hunni when it comes to relationships, just sitting enjoying my light box for the first time, i'll let u all know how i get on!
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Posted by paulst, 16:39 11 September 2008

Good luck with your lightbox, hope it helps you to feel a lot better.
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Posted by musicalfruit, 17:35 6 October 2008

OBE how is it going with that girl? Is she being understanding??
I met my husband in highschool and he knew I was moody from the start. ha! it's only been since we've had children that I have gotten to be a real downer in the winter time. He finally told me I need to do something about it. So I just bought a light box, I have considered Meds for along time but relied only on Herbals up till now. I guess last winter put him over the edge! I don't blame him it was horrible.
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Posted by JeanneinCanada, 17:08 12 October 2008

Hi Sandy,

I feel for you. I started first of Sept. too. Many people find it hard to understand its SAD because they all think its just a winter thing. Its been really sunny lately, finally (we had rain all summer too) and I feel the sun is mocking me. Its like its too little too late since the days are so short.

Well I'm managing better w/ my CBT book, but some days I just have to plough through one hour at a time and I'm relieved at the end that I'm one day closer to feeling better.

I'm sure your friend will understand, you are only human w/ a yuck dish on your plate and you are doing the best you can.

Jeanne

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