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OBE
OBE
joined 12 Sep 2007
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Posted by OBE, 14:25 5 September 2008

Hey everyone.
Apologies in advance if this post becomes a little unstructured as i'm not operating at my best.
It's been a couple of years since i've felt as low and confused as am at the moment.
I've had quite a productive year all in all, even dragged myself away on holiday to Greece on my lonesome to get some rays, which was great, really really great. I got back and started dating (mentioned in a previous post) which was going well until I hit August and started waking early and dwelling on stuff, losing enthusiasm and starting to feel spaced out at times. The signs were all there but i chose to go into the usual denial. Anyway anxiety started creeping in and things started to take a nose dive with the gf. I explained stuff to her but she twisted everything to make me feel like i wasn't taking her seriously and messing her around etc. Even though it has turned out that she's quite immature and unpleasant it has been a catalyst to my SAD symptoms. I was taking SJW for a year until this May/June and my family commented on how much better i had been but i didn't want to start taking it again whilst i was dating because of the side effects. Anyway i've been waking really early 2 and 3 in the morning wide awake which is soul destroying and really anxious all day.
Just holding a conversation and maintaining eye contact is a challenge in it's own right. My vocabulary has halved and my confidence has plummeted. I live on my own which doesn't help matters but i find it impossible to get a relationship going as my mood and frame of mind aren't consistent enough for me to feel comfortable to let someone in which results in occasional 4 to 6 week relationships that are just long enough for me to get a glimpse of how happy i could be if things were operating as they should be. I find this cycle quite heart breaking as i don't want much in life just someone to share it with. I always tell myself that there are others far less fortunate than myself but when you're in the grips of this crap it just doesn't carry the same poignancy.
3 or 4 weeks ago I felt like i had the best life going. I walked down the street strutting my stuff, head held high, full of confidence, sharp as a knife and now I hate being around people, hate being on my own, can't even construct a meaningful conversation with people I know.
One of the worst things i find is not being able to laugh with people it makes me really self conscious.
Anyway I think I need to get a grip but it's so frustrating when you are allowed to be this funny, charismatic charmer for a few weeks and then have the carpet pulled away to reveal what feels like a soulless introvert for the foreseeable future!
Well i went to the Docs to build my esteem even further and wound up teary eyed (the shame) He seemed quite proactive but wanted to put me on Dosulepin which is a tricyclic with sedative properties when taken before bed should help me sleep as he says i have an agitated depression?
I expressed my massive reservations in taking these meds as i've had horrible experiences in the past but he said that was because i was taking stimulative ads ie ssri's which would have aggravated matters.
I informed him that i was starting sjw and thought i should give that a bit more time. He said he would try and find me a consultant that specialised or had an interest in SAD which i was pleased about and he said if the sjw wasn't having the desired effect in a month to come back for the meds.
Do any of you have any experience with this ad. Also i think i have an advance circadian rhythm which is why i'm yawning all day and waking early in the morning which is why i use my light box in the evening as well as the morning but this proves to be a bit tricky as you become anchored to the house. Do others have this problem or do you all sleep like bears.
Hope i haven't bored you all too much, if nothing else i've giving you something to read while the light's doing it's thang!
kindest regards OBE
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Posted by Me, 14:56 5 September 2008

OBE, i see your bums back!!!

Your symptoms seem so familiar to me. It reminds me that I will get SAD bad again this year if I dont look out. Every year I also try to push it under the table and try to cope but then 'WHAM' the 'too late scenerio' starts again.

I dont take the same medications as yourself, I keep saying this but for me exercise, vitamins, minerals and light are the main helps. If I get bad I did reach for 5htp once. But that also has some probs attached, although I have some in the cupboard again for that time when Ihave actually hidden myself away from the world and cant understand why anyone would want a friend like me!!

When my sleeping goes out of sync, I start to get sleepy after lunch and teatime and if I get through that (almost impossible not to have a nap) I will sleep 9.00pm, but then wake up in the early hours not being able to sleep. Then am absolutely shattered when I should be getting up. I liken it to having a 24 hour lifestyle which does not evolve around 24 hours. After a few bad days, my timing system it totally all over the place.

When I was younger and not aware of SAD, I suppose I managed to cope with this by sorting out a timetable which allowed me to follow a 24 hour system as best as possible. I used to fall asleep at lunchtime, and again when I got home from work for an hour. On Friday pm I used to catch up on a few more hours should I need it. Looking at it now, it was a bit antisocial, but it did work.

Maybe we shouldnt feel obligued to stay awake all the time. They have siestas in the med. Maybe we should get our heads down when time allows. Its just modern society that frowns upon it and we are made to comply.... but I dont think we can work like that. We tend to shut down, and our brains go all mushy.

Not much help to you then Im afraid, but needed to vent my negative frustrations - another SAD symptom!

sorry, lovely to hear from you again though.

As the regulars and new folk enter this forum again, no doubt we will all be able to support each other this season.

Take care and hugs

Me x
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Posted by Amalthea, 13:57 6 September 2008

I think that the doctor might be on the right track, but I don't know anything about the pill he suggested. I'm trying to figure a similar situation out that I'm having, and I, also, would like to avoid anti-depressants but I'm on a low dose (25mg) of trazadone and 15mg of flexeril to help me sleep.

I have fibromyalgia (and SAD) and I realize that's not what we're talking about here, but I responded because I picked up on the fact that you were having sleep problems, which is common to fibro. From the information I've come up with, SAD also involves sleep disturbance. Sleep disturbance is not always as obvious to people with SAD as yours appears to be. For fibromyalgia, it involves brainwave patterns while you're sleeping so you could think, "I slept 8 hours, so I should be rested... but I feel like I've slept 4 hours!" That's why I have medication to help me sleep.

And it just so happens that a lot of the sleep medications they offer are sedating anti-depressants. So, I think that's why he offered you an anti-depressant to take at night-time. Over here in the US, we have Lunesta and Ambien which are prescription sleep aids, but as I understand, you can become dependent on them to help you sleep and doctors don't want that. It's not addiction... It's actually not being ABLE to sleep without taking the medication. Besides that, some people actually have done dangerous things while on Ambien (walk in their sleep, eat large amounts of food while asleep and DRIVE while asleep). No, I can't make sense of how that can happen but it does.

To help you make sense of how you're feeling... How do you feel if you've had one night where you barely slept? You feel cranky, short-tempered, exhausted, tearful? What happens when it goes on night after night? People who have sleeping disorders can become depressed, short-tempered, exhausted... They can have trouble putting thoughts together... even memory can be affected. I was surprised when I went to the sleep doctor to learn that people who have sleep apnea tend to have cognitive dysfunction, particularly memory problems! He said these things tend to resolve once they get help with sleep troubles. It takes awhile to come back, so you'll need to be patient and diligent about a sleep and medication schedule.

You need to avoid stimulants, like caffeine, too. I don't know if SJW is an "upper" in the sense that it could be stimulating and further disrupt your sleep. I just wanted to let you know that a lack of sleep could certainly be aggravating your depression. I hope this helps.

Heather
JeanneinCanada
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Posted by JeanneinCanada, 17:28 6 September 2008

Hi,


Your symtoms sound just like me when I'm full blown. I sometimes start as early as Aug, but this year it held off just till Sept. I'm usually slow onset though, and it sounds like this has hit you quick.

If SJW works well for you then go w/ it. Its easy to get on and off. I've added it w/ Wellbutrin.

I haven't heard of the ad the doc wants to try you on, but I know about tricyclics. I'm trying a newer one thats related to tricyclic, Mirtazapine. Its the only thing I've tried in years that I've been compatib le w/. I don't have the dose up enough yet to know if it will help, butits very sedating and I sure sleep at night. I've had terrible experiences w/ ssri's and just won't try them anymore, so I get your reluctance, but tricyclics are very different and you will sleep.

Last year, I went completely off ad's to try Prozac (a disaster) and I had the early morning waking. It is soul shattering, to be that depressed you can hardly escape it to sleep. Since mornings are often the worst time when depressed, its extra tragic to be up so early. Man was that awful last year, I can so feel for you.

If SJW doesn't cut it for you, you may have to get brave and try something else. I still think its worth the risk since SAD is so long an d debilitating.


Jeanne


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