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March, and the fatigue is mounting....

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Julie in Sussex
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Posted by Julie in Sussex, 19:00 5 March 2004

Hi fellow saddies ~

...well, it's arrived, March..... I feel that I should be sounding bright and cheerful as apparently spring is just around the corner, but it just doesn't happen like that for me.

Am I alone, does anyone else find March a seriously difficult month?

For me it's as horribly draining as September, and it's my birthday any mo', First Day of Spring and Mothering Sunday, 21 March. It's certainly light box challenge month, and I have never been able to figure out why it is always so hard. I think I'll up my one hour of light to one and a half or two.

Clinging onto the thought of real summer days, Julie
Pete
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Posted by Pete, 21:09 5 March 2004

Julie I feel I may know what the problem is, you really shouldn't take what I say seriously as I'm not a professional. But what I'm going to say may help you. March is the month where significantly the light levels change and the days get longer..... As I've experienced you may be suffering from overly phased advanced from too much bright light. Some people suffer badly from this especially if you don't do much or any light therapy, during the dark months.... You should look in to this as its always over looked by people suffering from SAD and there isn't much onformation regarding it out there. People have had goes at me from taking about this from members on this fourm...

This happens because the body clock advances more during the dark months from lack of bright light stimulation and during long periods of bright light it becomes more delayed... It does this a adjust to the levels of light... I but this is nothing to worrie about if you dont get it very badly as there really isn't anything that can be done apart from plenty of light therapy in the dark months because more light that is being received in your body clock should start to make your body clock more delayed and you will not suffer with this as bad. As time goes on into the lighter months it should kick out.

Take care Julie, Just trying to help you.
Arken74
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Posted by Arken74, 22:56 5 March 2004

Hi Julie
Are you feeling bad every day???
I've noticed since the days have been a bit sunnier, I feel twice as bad as usual when it's a bit gloomier. My real lowest point so far was from the begining of January for about 3 weeks. This last week I've noticed on a couple of dull days, I've felt almost as bad as January. Yesterday for example, it was so grey and I felt pretty low all day but as it got to about 4 o'clock, I was starting to get panicky again and by 8, I was crying my eyes out and telling my mum how scared of life I was. I was really hoping for sun today but alas, it was not to be. Managed to stay a bit more positive though but my mind is trying hard to wander onto horrible thoughts so I'm having to keep really busy. Unfortunately, I am so tired now and I'm dreading having to stop and give my mind free range.
I'm just wondering whether it's the sunny days days making me feel better but then it all comes crashing down on a bad day because I realise just how much the weather can affect me. This has been the worst year I've had so far with SAD and to be honest, I think I let it get totally out of hand (not that I think I had a choice). It's pretty disheartening though because I thought I was over the worst and it would all be fine now until September, but I started to feel like I was going a little backwards, so March, so far, has not been quite as good as February................
Pete
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Posted by Pete, 20:29 6 March 2004

Its me again... I just want to point out that what I say would also explain why you feel bad in september too as its exactly the same as march but vice versa.... Your body clock becomes very delayed during the summer months and then in september when it starts to get dark you really cant use your light box enough.....
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Posted by siddy, 19:28 8 March 2004

Hello Julie,

Yes I think it can be difficult with the change in light levels and it has been a really good feb and March where I am. I think as Pete is suggesting that you can overdo the light therapy at this time of year thinking it might help you but it probably won't. I feel as in September it's an up and down time due to the changes and one minute you feel okayish and then you realise how low you have been in winter which makes it feel all the worse.

Pete don't be a martyr, I wasn't questioning the theory, just the previous delivery. There is nothing wrong in taking your suggestion seriously.

Julie, darlin at your age it's bound to be depressing as birthdays arrive, get some Nivea or something :lol:

P.s I would love to make you a birthday cake but obviously I won't be able to give it to you so I'll have to eat it so it doesn't go off but I'll send you a photo of it! Lots of chocolate...........mmmmmmm..... cherries... pass me a beer someone!
oldhippy
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Posted by oldhippy, 19:44 8 March 2004

Hey Julie do you get a nice cake? :D
Julie in Sussex
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Posted by Julie in Sussex, 20:00 8 March 2004

Thank you Arken, the answer is roughly 5 days out of 7 are not good, the other two I sort of muddle through and cope. So sorry to hear that you are feeling done in, it's so damn difficult to explain to other people isn't it, I worry I might get classed as lazy or over emotional, when basically like you I simply cannot get it together. But I think yours is worse as it has been so much more protracted. Do you usually start to surface about 7/10 April, I do so am literally cluthing onto that straw. When I read in your post "Unfortunately, I am so tired now and I'm dreading having to stop and give my mind free range." Wow, do I ever understand that one, I often tell hubby that if Speilberg could harness my mind no one would ever have to write a movie again!
Take care Karen, wishing you 'summertime'! Julie
Julie in Sussex
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Posted by Julie in Sussex, 20:07 8 March 2004

Thank you Pete ~ when it comes to "phase advanced" and "phase delayed" information I seem to go onto screensaver, probably because I have never really understood, or come to grips with it. So, the minute I finish my posts I am determined to research it properly on the internet ~ the simple description (I really have to be spoon fed with very user friendly information @ this time of year!) is out there somewhere! I have been religious about light therapy all winter, and done remarkably well for a sad person, but I lost it in September and again now. Interestingly on a graphic illustration of sad and how it affects people month by month, March came up as one of the worst months. If I can find that graph again, I will post it in here. Thanks for replying, I'll now go and research! Julie
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Posted by Pete, 20:08 8 March 2004

Thats ok Julie. Don't worrie siddy I'm not trying to be a martyr, I'm just trying to help and I don't care who it is, like I say I have nothing to gain from helping people but at the end of the day its only help if my advice works. I'm supprised I triggered your responce since I never mentioned any names. I don't have anything against you or anyone else, I was just stating how I felt and what happened and because sometimes people can go abit strange if you say something in an informal manner which sounds untrue.... Its good for all of us to realise that everyones body clock is diffrent but it still works in the same manner as every human being... Its like your eye it may be a diffrent colour then the next persons but we are all seeing the same things (hopfully).. Body clocks which are more advanced will cause people to be intolorant to too much light which would cause similar symtoms to sad with extream tierdness and this is a fact as far as I'm concered. Its all about getting the appropriate light levels for your onw body clock, this problem wouldn't exsist if we had plenty of light througout the year but I'm affraid this isn't possible with are weather. Don't forget that there is a vice versa effect with people that have just came out of summer when there body clocks have been delayed alot by the summer light and after october light thearpy starts to be more effective because the body clocks advances more...
Julie in Sussex
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Posted by Julie in Sussex, 20:13 8 March 2004

Hmm, and thank you Siddy ~ (mostly!). Firstly though, I AM NOT THAT OLD!! :evil: And anyway, I am way slimmer than you!! :D

That said!! Yes, you did help me to appreciate this phase advanced thing, making me realise I really do need to do the research. The honing and fine tuning this SAD lark takes is quite formidable sometimes. And it's always a challenge when one can least face it. But, thank you, I'll boot my act into gear and get the knowledge!

About that cake, sweet thought (!), but when you eat it yourself (hmm, he'll get fatter chaps) do remember to have the Fire Brigade on call and ready, all those candles you know .... ! E-somethings to you, Julie !
Pete
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Posted by Pete, 20:21 8 March 2004

Thank god someone that agrees with me...... When that person was complaining of tiedness after light theraphy, I'm sure someone asked if he was getting enough sleep, that must have made him feel like no one understud him, thats why I tried to make my post stand out more then everyones elses I didnt care if anyone thought I was mad as long as I helped him....
Arken74
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Posted by Arken74, 13:11 9 March 2004

Hi again Julie.
Not sure how it's all going to work right now because this has been my worst year so far (by a long way), I only normally seem to suffer for a couple of months, on and off, and probably better after Christmas but this year, it's been since September. I can't remember who said the bit about clocks changing but I can say, to the very day the clocks go forward in September (i think that's right, I always get it muddled) and it gets darker earlier, I get a real bad sinking feeling so maybe when the clocks change again, it'll all be alright. I may have been feeling extra bad last week because I had a cold trying to come out (which finally let loose on Sunday), I don't often get them but when I do they are bigguns!!!!! I think the bit Siddy said about the up and down time made sense and I've that alot more this month. I know my problem is not overuse of the light box because I STILL AIN'T GOT ONE Hopefully this will change by September as I'm trying so hard to save my pennies. I have to go to a Tribunal on the 19th to see if I can get the Disability Living Allowance that I applied for AGAIN last year but was turned down as the doctor who came to see me was an absolute bitch who openly admitted she knew nothing about ME and wrote everything I said in her own words (I found out later), decided I didn't deserve it, so I now have to appeal. I am really dreading it. They never even wrote to my doctor originally to ask her opinion and so my doctor has written me a letter to take to the tribunal, pretty much telling them they cannot judge my illness on one visit by somebody who doesn't know me and as far as she's concerned, I deserve it................
My doctor is a great woman, so kind and caring, very unusual these days. She even added that I have been formally diagnosed with SAD which is making all my other problems even worse. I feel like I struck gold the day I found her.
Anyway, enough of my rambling, I'm hungry so I'm going.
Bye Ya'll

P.S Not sure if it's because of the meds I'm on, but I have the very weirdest dreams, maybe we should get together and write a film script, we could win oscars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Summertime 2 U 2 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
sebrown
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Posted by sebrown, 14:43 9 March 2004

Hi Arken74
I get weird dreams too and they go on and on, like a major epic.
Arken74
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Posted by Arken74, 20:13 9 March 2004

Is that since you've been on the meds Sebrown??? I can't honestly remember life before meds as it's been about 8 years. One of the really freaky kind of dreams I have is when they are like a continuation of the days events and so real I don't actually realise they are dreams. I've actually had conversations with people about 'what we were talking about yesterday' and they have no idea what I'm talking about, it's so frustrating. I also nearly cocked up a surprise for my stepdad's birthday a few years ago because my Mum had organised taking him to the theatre up the West End and I was absolutely convinced he'd found out about it because of a dream I'd had. I didn't realise it was a dream and nearly said something about where we were taking him. Luckily, my mum just happened to say something that made me stop and think!!!!
But other times they are just so weird, sometimes funny, or disturbing or just to odd to catagories.
Anyway, glad I'm not alone, I do sometimes just wonder if I'm a complete nutcase
:lol:
sebrown
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Posted by sebrown, 13:04 10 March 2004

I think I've always had weird dreams.
don't worry, your not alone, we're all nutters here

Anonymous
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Posted by Anonymous, 16:39 11 March 2004

I beg to differ, even my forensic psychiatrist confirmed that i wasn't a nutter. That sweet nurse also said so, the one from the secure ward. I told her that since the tablets had kicked in i hadn't had any more sickening fantasies about her. She told me I wasn't a nutter just before she asked me, so nicely, to "put down the knife" as the doctor was bleeding and she said it wasn't nice.
I think the doctor has a personal hygiene problem he sweated so much and talked very fast and incoherently when i was addressing him. After i had finished me and the big male psychiatric nurses had a game of rugby sort of like british bulldog cos they jumped all over me.

Keeping it real..................... 8)
Arken74
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Posted by Arken74, 17:25 11 March 2004

Just a normal day there then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Posted by Anonymous, 02:29 12 March 2004

hi
sorry march is going so long for you. me too.

its still cold as all get out here. some days about 35 F, +3 C. Today, -10 C. Last night i think it was down to -25 C. Brr.

But, the days ARE getting longer. I rather like the end of april when the days are getting longer and warmer.

I have been lightboxing as much as possible. FOr a long while I felt like total shit and couldn't get out of bed to do the box before work. So it kind of fed on itself. Last two weeks have been better.

I need to exercise more though. Seems the weeks I get to our fitness center daily I feel way better.

Regards
Mr Bean Fan
siddy
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Posted by siddy, 20:30 12 March 2004

Hello Mr Bean fan,
with weather like that you should be out mushing your huskies.... ask old hippy he might give you some tips!! :wink:
oldhippy
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Posted by oldhippy, 00:48 13 March 2004

Huskys?

I'm to busy watching the Iditarod



Walk on :roll:

Anonymous
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Posted by Anonymous, 04:17 14 March 2004

Hello Mr Bean fan,
with weather like that you should be out mushing your huskies.... ask old hippy he might give you some tips!! :wink:


Hey, I wish I had some huskies! It might make for some fun on these winter dreary days.

Weird weather here today too. Woke up to thunder and lightning and rain. By 8 am had changed to great big freezing pellets. Its been grey and misty and cool all day, though not bitterly cold like it gets in Jan Feb round these parts.

But Spring is just around the corner....

I wish I lived in a warmer climate.

Have a great day

Mr Bean Fan

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