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Posted by Linda, 08:17 22 December 2006

A lot of people come here and say that they feel they eat a healthy diet. I used to think that, too -- and then the depression hit. The problem is that the "nutrition" I was taught in school, and the ideas still commonly around now (i.e. that "low fat" is good, and that polyunsaturated oils are good, saturated fats are bad) is simply wrong. How on earth could doctors, teachers, and society at large be mistaken about this? For the same reasons that they are wrong about antidepressants being ideal treatments for mental illness. Pure ignorance. Before you write me off as a lunatic, there's loads of info out there to be had, from credible and respectable sources, if you just look for it. "The truth is out there," if you know how to find it.

It took me a long time searching before I did. I had the idea, or instinct, that there should be some kind of way to put my depression right. Something went wrong, and no one was going to tell me that it was going to stay wrong the rest of my life. Medications did not "fix" it. A lower carbohydrate, no-processed-sugar diet did not fix it. I was beginning to despair, when I finally found a naturopathic healer who has extensive medical and nutritional knowledge. She helped begin my re-education in nutrition. Much of what I know, and much of my healing, I owe to her. I've also done research on my own.

I don't claim to be an expert. Far from it. This is a field in which medical doctors should be much more knowledgeable themselves, because that's where the deep healing occurs, right at the root of many problems. Unfortunately, modern Western medicine tends to treat the symptoms rather than the cause, and it is obsessed with prescribing medications. We can't look to doctors as godlike, omnipotent figures who know how to put everything right. We at least owe it to ourselves to research what ails us and look for alternative solutions, especially when the doctors really are at a loss to help us.

I urge everyone who reads this, therefore, to take responsibility for your own health, to educate yourselves. That doesn't mean avoiding doctors, but admitting that doctors are capable of causing more harm than good if we blindly hand our well-being and very lives over to them.

That said, I'd like to share here what I've learned about nutrition in the past 8 months. It's only a beginning, but maybe it can offer some help and some hope to those who read it. This knowledge literally saved my life, because I was depressed and suicidal when I came across it.

Happy reading,
Linda.
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Posted by Linda, 08:22 22 December 2006

Here is something I posted in another topic. I think it needs to be here for easy reference, at least so I can remember where to find it :)

Diet . . . Here's the lowdown, if you've led a fairly healthy lifestyle and haven't been on psychotropic or other biochemistry-altering medications.

Wholefoods diet. Lots of fresh veg and fruit, more than the five-a-day advocated here in the UK. Protein: meat, fish, poultry, eggs, cheese, nuts, etc. Healthy fats are necessary for the body's functioning too, even the villified saturated fats. Good fats include omega-3s, cold-pressed extra-virgin olive oil, butter, coconut and palm oil. This is VITAL. The modern Western diet is full of unhealthy fats that end up causing clogged arteries and all sorts of health problems.

Grains are OK in limited amounts, balanced out with protein and veg. They need to be whole grains like porridge, quinoa, or amaranth. Wheat flour products, even if they are whole wheat, are digested too quickly by the body. Many people who have blood sugar fluctuations that influence their moods end up being diagnosed as bipolar.

If what I'm saying about fats flies against everything you've been taught, that's what I thought at first too. Looking into this subject just revolutionised my world, how I eat, how I feel. A good article on this can be found at http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/skinny.html

You can try having some lentils too, in limited amounts. You might also try eliminating milk, though fermented dairy products (which don't have lactose in them) are more easily tolerated by most people -- yogurt, cheese, kefir, etc. If you have blood sugar issues, it is best to eliminate unfermented milk products due to the lactose, a kind of sugar, which they contain.

Things to definitely eliminate:

Sugar
Alcohol
Flour products
Polyunsaturated fats, apart from olive oil (they have too much of an imbalance of omega-6 fats)
hydrogenated vegetable oil
unfermented soy products such as Quorn and tofu
Processed, frozen and canned foods (the processing removes much of their nutritional value and often adds in harmful chemicals)
Potatoes (though yams are OK)

It is not only possible to eat this way, but you can still have a varied diet, feel great, and not miss what you thought were some of your favourite foods. My body is no longer used to sugar. I had a chocolate the other day and it made me feel sick and wreaked havoc with my digestive system. Our bodies are not designed to eat that stuff. The problem is that most everybody is used to eating it, so they don't notice what it's doing to their bodies.

What I eat is a rather strict version of the Paleolithic Diet. It's recommended for people with blood sugar problems, and for those who have been on psychotropic drugs, whose bodies need healing. You can find some info about this at

http://paleodiet.com/

A good multivitamin with lots of B-vitamins, colloidal mineral supplement, fish oil, magnesium and calcium, will also go a long way toward complementing this. Often the diet on its own isn't enough for people. It depends on your own personal needs; everyone's biochemistry is different.

You may think this is extreme, weird, whatever -- or not. I thought I'd share what I know for anyone who really wants to make changes in the way they eat.
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Posted by Jeff, 08:22 22 December 2006

I've thought repeatedly of starting a nutrition thread in here these past two days, but have been waiting for you to do it because I have been too lazy. I was going to mention it to you to see if that might provoke you to do it, ha!

Thanks for doing it anyway,

J
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Posted by Linda, 08:26 22 December 2006

Just Googling the Paleolithic Diet this morning, I found this link which sums the diet up very succinctly and efficiently.

http://altmed.creighton.edu/Paleodiet/Paleodiet.html

The Paleodiet

The basic idea of the Paleolithic Diet is to eat as similarly to our ancestors as possible. Our genetic makeup is designed for those foods, so to be in the best state of health we should eat accordingly.

By examining what humans ate more than 10,000 year ago we can create a dietary theory to follow today. This PaleoDiet is in stark contrast to the average American diet. The main differences are based on the intake of carbohydrates and fat as explained below.

First, let us examine carbohydrates:

The carbohydrate rich diets that we eat today would have been completely foreign to our ancestors. Think about where do most of our sugars and starches come from? The answer is grains. Foods like corn, rice, wheat, barley and oats are all types of grains. History indicates that the grain we eat today was domesticated from wild grasses. This occurred between 10,000 and 3,000 years ago in various parts of the world. Before this time here was no farming as we know it. People lived as hunter-gathers. In this lifestyle humans ate a lot of meat and whichever wild fruits and vegetable they could find. They did not have access to grain. And remember, our genetic makeup is 99.99% identical to those people.

Because humans did not have ready access to grain until recently (in a genetic time frame), our bodies are not well adapted to grain based diets. In the Paleodiet, carbohydrate intake is minimized to represent this idea. The carbohydrates that would have been available were nuts and berries, fruits and vegetables. There were no processed sugars or plates of pasta. To eat a paleodiet, these must be decreased significantly.

Next the fats:

Hunter-gathers did not have domesticated livestock. The meat they ate was from what they could catch. There were no livestock in pens, hogs in confinement lots or turkeys in huge barns. Studies show that animals that run free and are not commercially raised have a different composition of fat. “Free range” animals have higher levels of omega-3 fatty acids and lower levels of omega-6. This mean that less of the human fat intake would have been of the omega-6 type and more of the ω-3. The average American diet has about 10 times as much omega-6 fatty acids as omega-3. This ratio would have been closer to 3 to 1, or maybe even 1 to 1, in the prehistoric period.

Today, we can get more omega-3 fats by eating nuts, deep sea fish and free range meat. A lower ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 is a key component of this diet. It is recognized by many researchers as a more healthy balance of fat intake.

Protein:

Anthropological research shows that the Patheolithic people at more meat than the average American. Meat is a good source of protein and fat. Increasing the amount of protein intake is an important aspect of the Paleodiet.

Because of they way our bodies use protein, the actual source is not critical. But because fats are so often found mixed the protein, some thought must be given to selections. Free range meats, because of the more favorable fat profile are preferred over other sources.
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Posted by Linda, 08:33 22 December 2006

Some things I've learned, and can add to this.

Fruit -- best avoided if you have blood sugar issues. Maybe some berries once in a while, which are lower in sugar, though it's worth bearing in mind that most fruit today has been cultivated to be sweeter than it would have been in the wild. You will get all the vitamins and minerals you need from a good vegetable intake, and some high-quality nutritional supplements like a multivitamin and colloidal minerals.

Grains -- up to individuals to experiment; though as the above article explains, our bodies don't really need them at all, and they can cause our bodies problems. I don't have any: no wheat products, no corn, rice, potatoes, legumes, none of it. I don't miss it. If I eat any now, it sits in my stomach like a rock.

This diet is fairly high in HEALTHY fats, again as the above article explains. You need to know what these are. Meat with fat attached to it is great, if you know that the animal was grass-fed, or fed on its natural diet (I still wait for the day when I can sample some chicken that was raised on its natural foraging food of insects). If the animal was grain-fed, you don't want to eat its fat because it's full of omega-6. Try explaining that to my parents, who love their yummy "good corn-fed" meat, LOL.

You won't gain weight on this diet if you keep grains to a minimum. You will instead shed the pounds at a slow and healthy rate. Eat what your body was originally programmed to eat and you will reap the rewards.

I'll post more info here as and when I have time, including sharing the nutritional and Paleo links I have.

With love,
Linda.
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Posted by Jeff, 08:37 22 December 2006

I agree with your list of things to eliminate, but I would add the following:

Pesticides
Hormones (i.e., growth hormones in animal products)
Tobacco
Most preservatives
Pretty much any chemicals in foods which do not naturally occur in food sources

For the most part, this is fairly easily accomplished by eating a diet that is 100% certified organic, excepting the tobacco of course, which just needs to not be used.

Tobacco is actually the last thing on my list of to-do's (which includes many more changes than what I've just listed) so far that I have yet to change. I don't use much, but a little goes a long way when you're talking about something as poisonous as tobacco.

I have also eliminated all animal products and wheat products, although I so far consider that a personal choice more than an absolute necessity.

Recommended reading: "The China Study". This book may provoke one to lean more towards viewing the aforementioned as a necessity.

I have come to realize that I need to view food much more a source of nutrients and energy than as a source of enjoyment. My two favorite foods are cheese and bread, and I resent ever having become hooked on them, which led to my malcontentment over discontinuing them. I have since discovered that both of them make me feel absolutley lousy almost immediately after consuming them.

EDIT: I want to add that cutting animal products requires a good knowledge of how the aquire the needed nutrients which may be abundant in these products, such as calcium, B12, and and esential fats. Almost any kind of diet change requires plenty of research and self education - I never would recommend making changes without this diligence.
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Posted by Linda, 08:56 22 December 2006

I think we need to be careful about the vegetarian/vegan issue here, maybe best not to get into arguments. However, I think there's a lot of evidence that the human body needs animal products. That's what it evolved to have. Certainly, I would have to say a purely vegan diet is unhealthy. If you are a vegetarian, then the leader of my Withdrawal and Recovery list says you will not be able to heal much from the ravages of psychotropic drugs; you body needs animal proteins.

Why don't you join, and ask her about this?

If you react badly to cheese, then it certainly isn't necessary to eat cheese in order to be healthy. Bread isn't necessary either. If you eliminate grains from your diet, then you will probably find you do not crave carbs, be they breads or sugars. Doing Paleo is the only way I've been able to free myself of sugar cravings that plagued me my entire life.

Must dash, happy to chat later if you like :)
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Posted by Jeff, 09:24 22 December 2006

I'm still not entirely decided about meat myself. I would probably eat fish with some regularity, except I have read so much about the bioaccumulation of mercury in fish. Recently, I learned more about which fish have more mercury and are of particular concern, and which have less. However, that has so far been on the back burner for me, and the fish that are supposedly better, to my knowledge, are too expensive for me to eat.

I already joined that Yahoo group, but I will not start posting or reading there until I have reviewed the usual approximatley 10 emails which I recieved upon admittance to the group.
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Posted by Linda, 10:04 22 December 2006

What you say about fish sounds sensible to me. If you're willing to have fish oil then most all of your omega-3 can come from that. There are recommended brands that are fairly pure from toxins.

It's also sensible, as you say, to read the files you've been sent closely. I didn't and I'm paying the price. When I joined that group I was mad keen to stop taking my medication, so I did a flimsy week-long taper and that was that. I should have read about all the problems that can occur if you do that but I brushed it off. I'm told that most people who join don't read the files, so you're giving yourself a really good start I think.

Right, I'll see about getting some links posted here.

Linda :)
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Posted by Linda, 10:22 22 December 2006

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Posted by samleona, 12:38 22 December 2006

Hi Linda

Thanks for this information. I don't post very often, but I am interested in trying this form of eating to see if it does work, although I'm concerned it will be horrendously difficult to get used to!
I've just about given up on my doctor today as all they are interested in is prescribing AD's which I do not want, so I'm going to have to try and help myself.
It sounds similar to nutritional advice given for SAD by natropath & nutritionist Michael Van Straten on his website.
I think I will do some research and give it a go once christmas is out of the way. I'll let you know how I get on.

Thanks for giving me some hope!
Sam
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Posted by Linda, 13:22 22 December 2006

Jeff and Sam, I will look at the suggestions for reading you've given here. I always welcome the chance to learn more about these things, so thanks.

You may find that going Paleo to whatever degree suits you, still isn't enough. (Though it may well be all you need.) If this is the case, then having some nutritional supplements is probably necessary. It is certainly necessary if you are, or have in the past been, on psychotropic drugs.

When I went Paleo, I found at first that I was hungry in the mornings, like I used to be, for about 3 days (the time it takes sugar to clear the system). But that I got major digestive problems from the increase in fats. I think I was going down the route my mother went; she ended up having her gall bladder removed. (I already was getting the odd bout of acute irritable bowel syndrome.) I was told to try taking some digestive enzymes. They helped a lot, and I found I only needed them for a couple of weeks.

I started losing my appetite in the morning, to the point where I was nauseous at the thought of breakfast -- though I always ate it because I knew I needed it. I was told this is what typically happens to people who are insulin resistant -- initially their bodies crave a top-up of the carbs they are addicted to, so they are hungry in the morning. When the simple carbs are cut out, then your body chemistry changes and the insulin resistance causes you not to want to eat in the morning. I don't know the mechanics of this myself, it's just something I've accepted and moved on from. I find it helps if I know what's happening to me.

Now, after 8 months, I'm not feeling any ill effects from not having the foods I cut out. I often feel worse if I do have them. I never feel sluggish and sleepy after eating, like I used to when I had a meal with pasta or lots of bread. My body tells me when it's full, and I stop eating. If I don't have enough fat or veg with a meal, I feel oddly empty. I don't even get headaches anymore -- not a single one! What's more, I no longer have to worry about developing diabetes or heart disease, digestive problems, gaining weight, spending money on junk food that I crave. I can't say it's always easy, because I was a massive sugar addict, but the benefits are just so good.

I also juice vegetables once or twice a day, which I've also found to be a huge benefit, but that's an issue for another day.

I hope you guys get the joy from this that I have. It's fun to do something new and to experiment. Don't expect a quick fix, but you should start to feel better almost from the beginning. Over time the benefits accumulate as the body heals.

Best wishes,
Linda.
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Posted by Linda, 10:11 26 January 2007

Here is an extract from a book by one of orthomolecular nutrition's most respected and longest-standing practitioners, Abrham Hoffer. He is mainly known for his success in treating schizophrenia with megavitamin therapy (specifically B3 and C).

It is interesting to compare Hoffer's take on mental illness with Breggin's (see the Antidepressant Info topic). Hoffer uses the language of the psychiatrist and talks of neuroses and diseases. In treating a patient he would first and foremost look at the patient's diet. He is not a supporter of "talk therapy." Breggin, however, believes talk therapy to be of ciritcal value, especially when the alternative is psychiatric drugs. However he seems unaware of the role nutrition plays in mental illness.

If only the twain shall meet, LOL. Hoffer still has much knowledge to offer, and it is tragic that the mainstream does not pay more attention to his research. This extract explains some of his ideas about nutrition, particularly how the modern Western diet can cause mental and physical illness.

from Putting it All Toegther: The New Orthomolecular Nutrition, by Abram Hoffer M.D. and Morton Walker D.P.M.

Some years ago a woman was admitted to City Hospital, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, with a diagnosis of self-induced skin gouges, a supposed psychiatric problem. Her immediate history included a broken love affair – which was generally considered the reason why this woman, a nurse, was tearing at her own skin. Invariably I include a nutritional history as part of any patient’s entry under my care, and I learned that she had suffered severe malnutrition long ago as a prisoner of a concentration camp in Europe. Now she had a resultant vitamin dependency . Additionally, she was eating a highly processed carbohydrate diet routinely. This was a combination debilitating to her mental health.

This nurse was gouging out portions of herself because of a severe state of anxiety-depression. I treated her psychiatric problem with orthomolecular nutrition (which consisted primarily of a nonrefined carbohydrate diet and vitamins) and she became well enough to be discharged from the hospital within two weeks. Her skin damage had ceased altogether. Any other orthodox medical treatment would have placed her under long-term, detailed psychotherapy – perhaps once a week for the next five years. It could not possibly have helped. Her malnutrition of thirty years before had finally caught up with her and caused mental illness – which was relieved through nutrition according to the principles of orthomolecular therapy.

The Consequences of Consuming a Junk Diet

Overconsumption of refined food causes the saccharine disease. Organ changes from the saccharine disease result in diabetes, peptic ulcer, constipation (and its effects such as varicose veins, hemorrhoids and cancer of the bowel) and other debilitations. Consequently, an orthomolecular therapist will direct primary attention toward changing the patient’s diet.

Associated with the saccharine disease, and especially with mental and emotional problems resulting from it, is the condition known as relative hypoglycemia. In reality, relative hypoglycemia is not a clinical entity in itself, being a term used to denote a laboratory test result in which a person’s blood sugar level decreases more than 20mg per 100ml after being given a “challenge dose” of 100g of glucose, constituting a six-hour sugar tolerance test. One can only guess at the proportion of our population who have relative hypoglycemia, but assuredly it is large – perhaps close to a majority.

Of 500 alcoholics that my colleagues and I have tested, almost all suffered a decrease of 20mg or more in blood sugar. About 10% of any adult population consumes excessive quntities of alcohol, and it is likely this group suffers from the saccharine disease. And as two-thirds of all neurotics and people with depression have the condition, we may assume that at least 35 to 50% of our entire population is victimised by its mental and physical manifestations. It is a result of the average North American ingesting a junk diet.

A Junk Diet Is:

A junk diet supplies poor quality eating – foods which contain sugar, white flour or polished rice, alcohol and items processed by manufacturers from whole foods. People are allergic to certain foods, and consumption of them can result in disease.

In effect, a junk diet is a disease, especially resulting in the so-called degenerative diseases of civilisation such as heart problems, and forms of cancer, arthritis and diabetes. Junk foods are artifacts derived from living organisms, either plant or animal. The major plant material which comprises living natural food is the seed of wheat, corn and rice. Seeds are the plant’s future progeny. When a wheat kernel is formed, it contains the amount of protein, carbohydrate, fat, vitamins and minerals necessary to launch a new plant. These components must also be present in adequate amounts in the human diet to support a person’s nutrition. In processed foods such components are not present. On the other hand, seeds and nuts, which are capable of growing new plants, are nutritious packets of food for us.

The flesh and organs of animals are even closer in composition to our bodies. When they are consumed they provide most of our requirements, provided we do not eat damaged goods of devitalised quality altered during the journey from the animal to our plates.

The components of food in nature’s packets are combined in a very intricate relationship. Protein, fat and carbohydrate interlaced with vitamins and minerals must be present. When natural food is consumed, all its components are provided at the same time. The elemental nutrients such as the amino acids, simple sugars and other items, will be delivered via the circulated blood to all the cells together. All the essential amino acids must be present about the same time. It does not help the cell to be supplied half the essential amino acids and then to receive the other half twelve hours later. If all the components are not present simultaneously, the cell functions poorly.

People are surprised when they discover that our present diets are generally inferior to the diets of our ancestors. They point to the tremendous advances in the science of nutrition and to our present food technology. It is hard for them to believe that modern foods, which taste so palatable, are so attractively packaged, and are so easy to warm up in a twentieth-century kitchen, can be as harmful as they are. Not uncommonly, people who are burying themselves with their teeth look upon those who are disturbed by our modern diets as food faddists or freaks.

Patients who have recovered from disease by eliminating sugar from their diet sometimes force a test of their eating programmes upon themselves. Very often they will expose themselves to several relapses by reverting to the diet that originally made them ill. They then return to orthomolecular physicians for care, while knowing full well what has gone wrong. Although they could overcome recurrence of their symptoms by halting their intake of processed and high-sugar foods, they return for treatment because they need the doctor’s reasurance and confirmation that their eating is valid, to offset the negative opinions of ignorant consumers of highly refined foods.

The Results of Eating Junk Food

Artifact or “junk” foods include such items as white bread, commercial french-fried potatoes, non-dairy creams made of chemicals and all the foods to which sugar has been added. Pies, pastry, cakes, chocolate, candy, most desserts, jello and many canned goods such as soups, contain added sugar.

Most children like sweets, and often sugared foods form a staple of their diet. When fed a diet free of processed junk, these children may feel deprived. However, not uncommonly after six months the sugar addiction will be lost, and they can adapt to the various healthier foods substituted. If sugar addiction actually manifests itself as allergy, junk food will produce disease symptoms which become uncomfortable. Any tissue or organ in the body may react.

Allergy to sugar and other components of processed food may manifest itself in the skin in the form of hives, rashes, itch, swelling, redness, decreaed ability to move because of skin rubbing and tautness, and pain. The urinary bladded may shrink and cause bed wetting. The central nervous system can react, causing a variety of unpleasant symptoms such as tension, anxiety, depression, hallucinations, thought disorder and changes in behaviour. The neuroses or psychoneuroses are psychiatric diseases that mainly alter mood. Psychosomatic conditions also fall into this category.

Malnutrition resulting from excessive comsumption of processed food in the form of refined carbohydrates is also the major cause of a braod group of neuroses and physical illnesses. Until recently these were looked upon as unrelated diseases with no known etiology, but now the root cause, nutritive deficiency, has become apparent. It may help many people who suffer from these diseases to embrace principles of proper eating. They will become aware immediately, from the reduction of their symptoms, of the reasons why they have been ill.

The mass indictment of refined carbohydrates as the cause of many of the ills of Westernised countries today was advanced by Surgeon-Captain T.L. Cleave, formerly director of medical research of the Institute of Naval Medicine, Great Britain. In 1956, he designated “the saccharine disease” as the master disease, incorporating diabetes, coronary disease, obesity, peptic ulcer, constipation, hemorrhoids, varicose veins; Escherichia coli infections such as appendicitis, cholecystitis, pyelitis and diverticulitis; renal calculus, many skin conditions and dental caries.

The master disorder which is the saccharine disease produces a variety of physical and mental manifestations that derive from the excessive consumption of refined or processed carbohydrates. Primarily, these are sugar and white flour. Highly processed products of this type cause specific physical anf psychiatric changes sometimes labeled psychosomatic and sometimes considered idiopathic. To distinguish them, however, and separate them from “thinking” diseases that arise from an influence of the mind or “unknown” diseases that come from no apparent extrinsic cause, the doctor merely needs to perform a six-hour glucose tolerance test on his patient.

Psychological Manifestations of the Saccharine Disease

I have identified relative hypoglycemia (functional insulinism) as a psychological component of the saccharine disease. The basic problems arise from the excessive consumption of refined carbohydrates, chiefly sugar and white flour. In 1924, about one year after insulin came into general use for the treatment of diabetes, Seale Harris, M.D., Professor of Medicine at the University of Alabama, noted that many non-diabetics experienced some symptoms of insulin overdosage, insulin shock. He suggested that in some people “hyperinsulinism” occurred: that is, the pancreas overreacted with secretion of too much insulin. Dr. Harris developed the six-hour glucose tolerance test to determine its presence.

However, today relative hypoglycemia is uniformly rejected by the majority of physicians as a valid entity or even as the end result of a diagnostic laboratory test. It remains one of the diseases not taught in medical schools. Not uncommonly, a 50-to-75 year gap will occur between medical discovery and application of its knowledge. For example, it took 50 years before the Royal Navy adopted Sir James Lind’s discovery that citrus fruits would cure and prevent scurvy. Nevertheless, more than 90 years have passed since Dr. Harris developed his glucose tolerance test and there still remains a reluctance to accept it on the part of medical traditionalists. Reading about relative hypoglycemia here, you now know that low blood sugar is responsible for a great deal of mental illness. When the sugar content of blood goes too low all the tissues of the body have alternative sources of energy except the brain. Brain tissue depends primarily upon glucose for its energy.

A consistent association prevails between neuroses and relative hypoglycemia. Symptoms may include depression, insomnia, anxiety, irritability, crying spells, phobias, lack of concentration and confusion. Accompanying these neurotic symptoms may be physical ones: fatigue, sweating, rapid heartbeat, diminished appetite and chronic indigestion. Other main neurotic symptoms may be headache, dizziness, tremor, muscle pain and backache. Hypoglycemic people do have the typical neurotic symptoms. Possibly one-third of people visiting their physicians for various symptoms suffer from this condition. It is one of the most common causes of neuropsychiatric illness, and it occurs because of the poor dietary habits of Western civilisation.

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Criteria of Mental Health

Disappointment and annoyance are emotions I feel at the number of psychiatrists who remain content to keep their schizophrenic patients heavily and permanently tranquilised. Those patients are perfect consumers of services, support and every other community resource, but never again are they able to be productive citizens of society. They are being given cruel, ignorant and inhumane treatment. Keeping them tranquilised holds them in a state of abnormality not reconcilable with the precepts of morality – the science of the good and the nature of the right.

By my criteria, a patient is well or recovered from mental disease as soon as he is free of all signs and symptoms. He returns, or is able to return, to his former occupation or, if he had never worked before, now acquires a useful occupation. He gets on well with his family and with the community.

The basic treatment for mental disease in orthomolecular medicine is the overcoming of the effects of poor nutrition with corrective nutritional therapy. Yet a measure of ignorance of many medical critics of this care is that they hardly ever take nutritional histories of their patients. The most enthusiastic exponents of treatment of mental disease with nutrition are physicians who have themselves suffered with psychological manifestations of the saccharine disease. There is nothing as convincing as a personal cure, especially when every other treatment has been ineffective.

An example of what I mean is the result of my treatment of four general physicians who became severely psychotic before entering the study of medicine or who became ill after being in practice. They are now normal and practising successfully. The other two medical students recovered from mental ills under my care and are now completing their medical training. Medical study, calling for stringent concentration as it does, points up these recoveries as remarkable. I am unaware of other physicians able to recover from psychosis and practise medicine after being treated with standard tranquiliser therapy.
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Posted by Linda, 08:35 4 February 2007

Links

http://www.mercola.com/article/sugar/dangers_of_sugar.htm">http://www.thepaleodiet.com/

http://www.beyondveg.com/

"76 Ways Sugar Can Ruin Your Health"
http://www.mercola.com/article/sugar/dangers_of_sugar.htm


Books

The Paleo Diet: Lose Weight and Get Healthy by Eating the Food You Were Designed to Eat, by Loren Cordain

Nourishing Traditions: The Cookbook that Challenges Politically Correct Nutrition and the Diet Dictocrats, by Sally Fallon and Mary Enig

Sugar Blues by William Dufty
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Posted by Linda, 08:08 9 February 2007

The International Network of Cholesterol Sceptics
http://www.thincs.org/index.htm

Questioning conventional wisdom about cholestrol and statins -- article from the Daily Mail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in_article_id=430682&in_page_id=1774&in_page_id=1774&expand=true#StartComments


Both of these links assert that there is no connection bewteen high cholesterol and heart disease, or between saturated fat and high cholesterol, or saturated fat and heart disease. Sounds incredible? Have a look.
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Posted by Linda, 08:25 9 February 2007

From Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon:

Twentieth-century men and women, faced with a dazzling array of modern food products, are naturally tempted by their convenience and glitz. They would prefer not to worry about how their foods are processed or what they contain; they would prefer not to spend time in food preparation the way their ancestors did. But the inevitable consequence of this insouciance is the host of debilitating diseases now endemic in our society.

With traditions forgotten, the tool that allows modern men and women to regain their health and vitality is knowledge -- knowledge of the fruits of honest scientific inquiry as well as renewed familiarity with culinary customs of times past. The cook, the food provider and parents of young children can no longer afford to be misled by what passes for nutritional wisdom in the popular press, especially as so much orthodox advice -- magnified, simplified and twisted by publicity for processed foods -- is partially or totally wrong. We urge you to keep abreast of research conducted by independent researchers and holistic doctors, especially as it sheds light on the nourishing traditions of our ancestors.

Then call on your reserves of ingenuity and creativity to translate that knowledge into delicious meals in whatever culinary tradition may appeal to you and your family. We must not lose sight of the fact that the fundamental requirement of the food we eat is that we like it. The healthiest food in the world does us no good if we must gag it down because it tastes bad.

Our food should satisfy our four basic tastes -- salt, sour, bitter and sweet. These tastes are meant to guide us to the foods that we need, but they are easily suborned by our ignorance or lack of will. Satisfy the salt taste with natural sea salt or traditional meat broths, which also provide magnesium and vital trace minerals, instead of products laced with MSG or drenched in commercial salt; please the sour taste bud with old-fashioned fermented foods that provide the enzymatic by-products of the culturing process, rather than with pasteurized condiments and alcohol; gratify the bitter taste bud with dark green vegetables and bitter herbs that are valued in every traditional society, so rich in vitamins and minerals, instead of coffee and tea; and delight the sweet tooth with fruits at their peak of ripeness and with natural sweeteners high in nutrients, rather than refined sugar products.

The challenge to every individual is to determine the diet that is right for them and to implement that diet in a way that does not divorce them from the company of fellow human beings at mealtimes. Each person's ideal diet is usually discovered through a combination of study, observation and intuition, a process designed to replace that mysterious infallible instinct that guided primitive people to the foods they needed to keep them healthy and strong.

To make us healthy, our food must taste good; it must be digestible, and it must be eaten in peace. Even whole foods, properly prepared according to traditional methods, do us no good if we eat them with a grudge; they will not confer health on the person who does not forgive. It is the loving heart who will find guidelines for providing an abundance of all the nutrients we need to live healthy, happy and productive lives.
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Posted by Jeff, 08:31 9 February 2007

Hi Linda,

I read your Jan 26th post from Abrham Hoffer's writing when you first posted it...


I just realized that that was only about 10 days ago, which is really strange, because that seems like 2 months ago to me... I have been so busy lately with school and miscellaneous life things, that time is flying.

Anyway, I thought Hoffer's ideas there were very interesting and the mention of the saccharide disease really "rang true" for me. I had slightly below normal results on the second (2 hour) blood draw on my 2 hour glucose tolerance test, and his suggestions, causes, and consequences of these kind of results correlated perfectly with my own personal experience throughout my life.

I was wondering where you got that book excerpt? It seems that you have posted a number of book excerpts here, which is confusing to me, because I very rarely ever find a book excerpt, or a whole book for that matter, posted online in html (regular text) format, to facilitate copy/pasting. Where do you find these book excerpts? Or did you type that all out? It also seems I may have asked you this question before, but I do not recall.
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Posted by Jeff, 08:40 9 February 2007

!!! You just came up with another book excerpt even as I was writing that question...

I can't help but wonder if you have a better or different method of searching for these things? I have no problem finding plenty of articles, technical and otherwise, on the subjects that I am researching, but I am yet to find book excepts anywhere.

Book excerpts can be found at amazon.com for example for certain books, but that is not a viable method of researcvhing anything and even there, they are not in a copy/pastable format.
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Posted by Linda, 09:45 9 February 2007

My source is Catherine Creel. Well, she's often the start. Then I branch out on tangents of my own. Often I'll look up a link she gives me, find names, info there, links to other sites, and off I go.

I type these excepts out myself. I don't mind, if my cortisol can cope with it. It gives me something worthwhile to do. It's hard sitting around the house at this time of year, hoping/waiting for a job. I've done my best to be a stay-at-home mum but it's had a devastating effect on my mental health.

At any rate, most of the books I've recommended can be found at Amazon.co.uk or Amazon.com. What I've found is the more information I absorb, the more balanced I feel about it all. The authors of these books have their own agendas and they are skewed toward this. Peter Breggin is outstanding in his stance against psychotropic drugs, several other doctors are, but they do not marry any nutritional awareness with this, and end up offering little comofort to people whose depressions are partly or mostly caused by nutritional problems. Abram Hoffer is outstanding in his awareness of how vitamins can treat illnesses, but he is arrogant/ignorant enough to say in his own book that he thinks talk therapy should be completely unnecessary. Part of his original treatment for the girl whose schizophrenia turned out to be caused by multiple food allergies, was to offer her ECT, which he coldly decided did not help her. (My god, how would anybody truly be helped by having their bodies and brains fried?) And Sally Fallon is a big advocate of whole grains. I originally changed my own diet by cutting out sugar and white flour, which is about as far as she goes, but it didn't help much. I needed the full Paleo diet to be able to start healing.

However, taken all together, there's a lot of knowledge there. I'd also recommend Linus Pauling's How to Live Longer and Feel Better. It's a little out of date, and again I don't think his dietary advice is radical enough to help people who are already ill, but for info about vitamin C and its hundreds of benefits, it is a book second to none. There's also info about other vitamins. He was a remarkable man.

I know there's software you can get that will scan a page from a book and put the text in a word processor. Our scanners are covered in dust upstairs though, and my husband (who is the computer expert) is at work every day. So I type. I enjoy sharing this info. If only it had been available to me before the drugs.

Linda :)
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Posted by Linda, 13:50 15 February 2007

Sugar rush: the sweetening of the British palate

http://www.guardian.co.uk/food/Story/0,,2013348,00.html
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Posted by Linda, 11:20 16 February 2007

An overview of the researches of Weston A. Price, who travelled around the world at the beginning of the 20th century and studied the diets of isolated "primitive" people. How their diets were different from the modern Western diet, and why the way we eat now is making us -- as well as successive generations who inherit nutritional deficiencies from undernourished mothers -- more and more ill.

http://www.westonaprice.org/tour/index.html
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Posted by Linda, 19:20 24 March 2007

Rise in Mental Illness Linked to Unhealthy Diets, Say Studies

· Patients benefit by cutting intake of junk food
· NHS warned of rise in £100bn bill

Felicity Lawrence
Monday January 16, 2006
The Guardian

Changes in diet over the past 50 years appear to be an important factor behind a significant rise in mental ill health in the UK, say two reports published today.
The Mental Health Foundation says scientific studies have clearly linked attention deficit disorder, depression, Alzheimer's disease and schizophrenia to junk food and the absence of essential fats, vitamins and minerals in industrialised diets.

A further report, Changing Diets, Changing Minds, is also published today by Sustain, the organisation that campaigns for better food. It warns that the NHS bill for mental illness, at almost £100bn a year, will continue to rise unless the government focuses on diet and the brain in its food, farming, education and environment policies.

"Food can have an immediate and lasting effect on mental health and behaviour because of the way it affects the structure and function of the brain," Sustain's report says. Its chairman, Tim Lang, said: "Mental health has been completely neglected by those working on food policy. If we don't address it and change the way we farm and fish, we may lose the means to prevent much diet-related ill health."

Both reports, which have been produced collaboratively, outline the growing scientific evidence linking poor diet to problems of behaviour and mood. Rates of depression have been shown to be higher in countries with low intakes of fish, for example. Lack of folic acid, omega-3 fatty acids, selenium and the amino acid tryptophan are thought to play an important role in the illness. Deficiencies of essential fats and antioxidant vitamins are also thought to be a contributory factor in schizophrenia.

A pioneering nutrition and mental health programme, thought to be the only one of its kind in Britain, was carried out at Rotherham, South Yorkshire. According to Caroline Stokes, its research nutritionist, the mental health patients she saw generally had the poorest diets she had ever come across. "They are eating lots of convenience foods, snacks, takeaways, chocolate bars, crisps. It's very common for clients to be drinking a litre or two of cola a day. They get lots of sugar but a lot of them are eating only one portion of fruit or vegetable a day, if that."

The therapy includes omega-3 fatty acids and multivitamins, with advice on cutting out junk food and replacing it with oily fish, leafy vegetables for folic acid, Brazil nuts for selenium, and food providing tryptophan.

Some patients who resist treatment with drugs accept nutritional therapy and most have reported an improvement in mood and energy. Ms Stokes said: "Within the first month there's been a significant reduction in depression. We've had letters from psychiatrists saying they can see a huge difference."

One sufferer who benefited from a dietary change was James McLean, who was at university when first diagnosed with bipolar disorder (manic depression). After he had been sectioned repeatedly, his father read about the role of nutrition in mental health. The pair went privately to the Brain Bio Centre, in London, where Mr McLean's nutrient levels were checked; he was allergic to gluten and yeast and was given supplements, including vitamin B and essential fatty acids.

"I'd been eating lots of intense carbohydrate foods ... because they were cheap, and very little fruit or vegetables," Mr McLean said. Now, he excludes wheat from his diet too. He added: "I have more energy and confidence, I sleep better, and I came off the anti-psychotic drugs, although I still take mood stabilising ones."

Andrew McCulloch, chief executive of the Mental Health Foundation, acknowledged that mental illness results from a complex interplay of biological, social, psychological and environmental factors, but thought diet should be an everyday component of mental health care. "It costs £1,000 a week to keep someone in a psychiatric hospital. How much does good food cost? We need mentally healthy school meals, and mentally healthy hospital foods," he said.

Best choices and worst:

Good for the brain:

Vegetables, especially leafy
Seeds and nuts
Fruit
Whole grains
Wheatgerm
Organic eggs
Organic farmed or wild fish, especially fatty fish

Bad for the brain:

Deep fried junk foods
Refined processed foods
Pesticides
Alcohol
Sugar
Tea and coffee
Some additives
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Posted by Linda, 11:32 1 April 2007

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, February 23, 2007


NO DEATHS FROM VITAMINS: Poison Control Statistics Prove Supplements’
Safety
(OMNS Feb 23, 2007) There was not even one death caused by vitamins in
2005, according to the most recent statistics available from the US National
Poisoning and Exposure Database. The 129-page annual report of the American
Association of Poison Control Centers published in the journal Clinical
Toxicology (1) shows zero deaths from multiple vitamins; zero deaths from
any of the B vitamins; zero deaths from vitamins A, C, D, or E; and zero
deaths from any other vitamin.

Over half of the U.S. population takes daily vitamin supplements. Even
if each of those people took only one single tablet per day, that makes
145,000,000 individual doses per day, for a total of over 53 billion doses
annually. Since many persons take additional vitamins, the numbers are
considerably higher, and the safety of vitamins all the more remarkable.

References:

1. Lai MW, Klein-Schwartz W, Rodgers GC et al. 2005 Annual Report of
the American Association of Poison Control Centers' national poisoning and
exposure database. Clin Toxicol (Phila). 2006; 44(6-7): 803-932. Free
download from
http://www.aapcc.org/Annual%20Reports/05report/2005%20Publsihed.pdf .
Vitamins statistics are found in Table 22, towards the end of the report.

For further reading:

Download any Annual Report of the American Association of Poison
Control Centers from 1983-2005 free of charge at:
http://www.aapcc.org/annual.htm The "Vitamin" category is usually at the
very end of the report.
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Posted by Linda, 12:56 1 April 2007

Here is a good article that gives info about how the veg we eat today has fewer vitamins than the same veg a generation ago, and why it is beneficial to take vitamin supplements:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2001/mar2001_report_vegetables.html
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Posted by Linda, 13:21 1 April 2007

Compare the above "no deaths from vitamins" story to this one:

Death By Medicine
A definitive review and close reading of medical peer-review journals, and government health statistics shows that American medicine frequently causes more harm than good.

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/features/death_by_medicine.html
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Posted by Linda, 13:39 1 April 2007

More info on the mineral depletion of soil. Includes some info about veg farmed in the UK. An in-depth explanation of what happened, how it affects people, and what can be done about the problem.

http://www.trccorp.com/faq_root_disease

Meat and Dairy: Where Have the Minerals Gone?
http://www.foodcomm.org.uk/PDF%20files/meat_dairy2.pdf
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Posted by Linda, 12:47 10 April 2007

The Big Vitamin Scare: American Medical Association Claims Vitamins May Kill You

NewsTarget.com, Feb. 28, 2007

The latest round in conventional medicine's ongoing attempts to discredit (and ultimately outlaw) nutritional supplements is found in a highly questionable study published this week in the Journal of the American Medical Association, which claims that vitamins actually increase the risk of death.

The study claims to have analyzed a collection of previous studies on Vitamin A, beta carotene, Vitamin C, Vitamin E and selenium, concluding that most of the nutrients are actually dangerous to human health. Of course, this is research from conventional medicine – an industry that promotes patented chemicals as perfectly safe, even though FDA-approved pharmaceuticals are killing 100,000 Americans each year. (Imagine the uproar if vitamins killed even a fraction of that number…)

To avoid getting hoodwinked by questionable research on "vitamins," you have to strongly consider the financial interests of the source of this research. JAMA accepts millions of dollars in advertising from drug companies each year, and its pages are absolutely packed with drug ads. The American Medical Association, for its part, has long worked to discredit alternative medicine and has even been found guilty by U.S. federal courts of engaging in a conspiracy to destroy chiropractic medicine. The AMA, which is largely considered a joke by anyone familiar with natural health, is hardly a credible source for publishing scientific findings on nutrition. To protect the multi-billion dollar drug industry, the AMA would say practically anything, I believe.


How to fake a vitamin study

Faking a vitamin study to show supplements as harmful is extremely easy to pull off, by the way. All you have to do is use synthetic forms of the vitamins and avoid using natural, food-sourced vitamins. These synthetic vitamins – which are really just industrial chemicals – may be called "Vitamin E" or "Vitamin A" or even "Vitamin C" but they have no functional resemblance to the real vitamins that occur in nature. Every single study over the past two decades that has sought to discredit Vitamin E, for example, focused on using synthetic Vitamin E in order to show harm. It is curious that no researcher from the world of conventional medicine will ever test the natural, full-spectrum vitamins, nutrients and phytochemicals that appear in nature. You know why? Because they would discover a universe of natural medicine that makes patented prescription drugs obsolete.

A second way to fake a vitamin meta-data study is to simply cherry-pick the results you want to include in your meta-data analysis. This is a routine trick used by dishonest researchers who have an agenda of discrediting nutritional supplements. To pull this one off, they simply eliminate all previous studies that showed positive results for vitamins, and include only previous studies that showed negative results. Then they run a statistical analysis on all the studies they hand-picked and declare – surprise! – those vitamins are dangerous! Many of the studies on vitamin E, by the way, were conducted on dying heart patients who were only expected to live two weeks, regardless of what they took.

A third way to distort the science is to confuse people with statistical obfuscation. The reporting on this particular study, for example, confuses absolute risk with relative risk. Vitamin A, according to the reports on this study, increased mortality risk by 16 percent. But that is a relative risk number, meaning that if 1 person out of 100 normally died, then 1.16 people out of 100 would die when taking these synthetic Vitamin A supplements. In other words, it might not even be one additional person out of 100, or even out of 1000.

And yet, it is curious that when conventional medical researchers report the results of mortality risks for their prescription drugs, they always use absolute risk. They say things like, "Well, this drug only increased the risk by one percent." But what they are not saying is that it may be a 200% relative increase in mortality risk, depending on the baseline absolute mortality numbers. So if only 0.5 people out of 100 normally died from heart disease during a particular study, but 1.5 people died when taking a drug during that study, the relative risk increase is 200%. But the medical journals and the mainstream media will report is at a "one percent increase."

You see how the game is played? Here's the con:

• All statistics on the dangers of prescription drugs are reported as absolute risk to make the numbers seem smaller (and make drugs seem safe).

• All statistics on the dangers of synthetic vitamins are reported as relative risk to make the numbers seem larger (and vitamins seem dangerous).

And this is how conventional medicine lies with statistics. It's only one of the many tricks used to disinform the American public about the dangers of pharmaceuticals or the benefits of nutrition.

This research published in JAMA does remind us of one important point, however: synthetic chemicals are harmful to human health. If you take cheap "vitamins" made of these synthetic chemicals, you are doing yourself more harm than good. These cheap vitamin manufacturers, by the way, are usually owned by pharmaceutical firms. I would personally never take vitamins purchased at common retailers such as Wal-Mart or Walgreens. I only recommend and consume vitamins from high-end nutritional supplement companies.


Blurring the line to scare consumers

But conventional medicine researchers try to blur the line between "junk vitamins" and "quality vitamins" by classifying all nutritional supplements as "vitamins," regardless of what they're really made from. By discrediting a few synthetic chemicals, they can effectively dissuade the masses from taking ANY vitamins, including the good ones. And that is, of course, their goal: to use FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) to scare consumers away from nutritional supplements so that patients will flock to the patented, synthetic chemicals that earn drug companies billions of dollars in profits. Drugs make money for Big Pharma, and vitamins compete with drug sales. Once you understand the economics and the motives of the parties involved here, the junk science con becomes quite obvious: Pushers of pharmaceuticals will always use dirty tricks to discredit nutritional supplements because it is in their financial interests to do so.

My own financial interests, by the way, are squeaky clean. I sell no supplements, I earn no money from supplement companies, and in fact I am not even paid by NewsTarget for my work on these articles. In terms of potential conflicts of interest, I have far more credibility than the AMA, a shady organization that remains mired in blatant conflicts of interest and a frightening agenda of pushing drugs, surgery and radiation onto as many Americans as possible.

Now, here's a common sense way to quickly realize the JAMA research is complete nonsense. Round up 100 people who are taking multiple pharmaceuticals, and compare their health to 100 people who are taking vitamins and nutritional supplements. Guess who's healthier? The supplement crowd will be healthier every time. It's the obvious question: If vitamins are so dangerous, where are all the dead vitamin takers? And if pharmaceuticals are so safe, where are all the super-healthy prescription drug patients? They are nowhere to be found.

The healthiest people, by far, are those who take supplements, who engage in regular exercise, and who avoid taking prescription drugs.


Why conventional medical researchers remain nutritionally illiterate

Western medicine still doesn't "get" nutrition. They think all health effects are achieved by single, isolated chemical constituents. But nutrition doesn't work that way. In nature, for example, Vitamin C is not a single chemical, but rather a symphony of complementary phytonutrients that work in concert. Conventional medical researchers almost never test plant medicine using full-spectrum nutrients. Why? Because they don't understand the concept of nutritional synergy.

The bottom line? Only fools believe research about nutrition that comes from the American Medical Association or its journal. Conventional medical researchers declaring that vitamins are worthless is about as credible as Bush Administration climatologists claiming there's no such thing as global warming.

With the publication of this research, the distortion of health reality is now complete. According to the Americal Medical Association, vitamins will kill you but pharmaceuticals will make you healthy.

Someone help me stop laughing before I blow out a lung and require surgery.
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Conventional medicine vs. naturopathy: How to fix a leaky roof

NewsTarget.com, April 10, 2007

People often ask me about the difference in philosophy between conventional medicine and naturopathic medicine. While the differences are numerous, some of the more fundamental ones can easily be explained. Imagine your body is a house, and the health of your body is the maintenance of that house. If you don't do regular maintenance on this house, the roof of your house begins to leak and you might notice water dripping into your home every time it rains. The water is a symptom of an underlying problem -- a roof with poor maintenance.

The difference between conventional medicine and naturopathic medicine can be described in the way that health practitioners would perceive this problem and attempt to resolve it. Conventional medicine would look at the water dripping out of the roof and find a way to measure it. So they would have a number, which might be 60 drips per hour, and they might say anything above that (such as 70 drips per hour or 100 drips per hour) is a disease, and they would name that disease something like, "Roofoporosis Disease."

They would identify the symptom itself -- the water -- as being the disease, and they would try to figure out which chemical would take care of it. In this case they might prescribe water absorbing crystals that you would spread around the house to absorb this excess water, completely ignoring the integrity of the roof, as well as the need to actually repair the roof and not allow water to drip through it. If you said to them, "well, maybe we should think about repairing the roof," they would say, "The problem is clearly the water -- you can see the water, here's a measurement of the water." They might even say if you don't aggressively treat this excessive water, you're going to end up flooding your entire house.

In contrast to that, a naturopathic approach involves a little more investigative work. A naturopath would use the dripping water as a clue, but then ask: what is the underlying fundamental cause of this water dripping into the home? The naturopathic physician would trace the water back to the stain in the ceiling, and this stain would indicate that water has been chronically dripping in from a leaky roof. Then, he would trace it through the attic to the roof and find a hole in the roof. After a bit of detective work, he (or she) would decide to patch the hole, repair the roof and stop the leaking water at its source.


Treat the problem, not the symptom
Naturopaths aren't treating the water -- the symptom -- and this confuses conventional medicine to a great degree. They don't understand how someone can treat cancer without treating the tumor itself. Because conventional docs think the symptom is the disease or the disorder. But naturopathic medicine sees the cancer tumor as only a symptom of a much deeper problem. Just like the water dripping into the home is only a symptom of a broken roof in need of repair, a cancer tumor is only a symptom of a serious underlying metabolic problem.

The naturopathic physician would fix the cause of the problem, but they wouldn't stop there. They would also realize that if the roof has one hole in it now, it seems likely that there could be other holes that are beginning to form, too. They would look at it from a holistic perspective and work to not only solve today's problems, but also prevent the development of other chronic degenerative problems that share the same cause.

Conventional medicine, having ignored the leaky roof in the first place, would play a game of prescribing a never-ending chain of treatments to mask all the various water disorders, each of which would be given a unique disease name. If water dripped onto your wooden furniture, it would be called something like Furniture Disease, whereas if the same water dripped on your carpet, they might call it Soggy Carpet Disease. No matter what the water dripped on, conventional medicine would have a different name and a different treatment for it. Even though all these problems have the same common cause (the leaky roof), medicine would find a way to turn it into a dozen different diseases and treatment plans, all while completely ignoring the root cause.

Naturopathic physicians and Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioners, on the other hand, will listen to their patient's symptoms but not necessarily treat those symptoms directly. Sometimes they even appear to ignore the symptoms completely, even though they are in actuality looking beyond them and treating the fundamental causes of the disease. There are really only a few basic causes of all disease. Conventional medicine has over ten thousand names for various diseases, but these are merely symptomatic descriptions. Every single one of them is based on one of the following three causes:

Number one: the body (or the mind) doesn't have something it needs, such as nutrition, oxygen, air, sunlight, love, sleep, etc.

Number two: the body (or mind) has too much of something it can't use or is toxic.

Number three: the body (or mind) doesn't have the proper flow, either energetically or physically. This means it cannot remove metabolic waste products, nourish cells with fresh blood, or neurologically respond to a stimulus.

No matter what symptoms you present at the doctor's office, the naturopathic physician will investigate the root causes of disease: your exposure to toxic chemicals, your levels of chronic stress and the health of your relationships, your level of physical exercise, and your exposure to sunlight, fresh air and fresh water, among other factors. These are simple causative factors, but when they are out of balance, deficient, or present in excess, they combine to create all the different biochemical problems that conventional medicine labels as disease. In other words, these three causes can combine in ten thousand different ways, creating ten thousand different symptoms, and conventional medicine has invented a name for each one.

But treating disease is wasted effort if it remains focused on the symptoms. Preventing disease is sort of like doing basic maintenance on your home; it's something you have to do routinely, something you do preemptively to prevent disease from occurring. And you have to cover all the basics: nutrition, exercise, avoidance of toxic chemicals, avoidance of chronic stress, good flow and circulation, and a healthy mind and emotional state. These things go together to create a healthy body and mind.

This fundamental idea -- which is centuries old and was understood in China thousands of years before the rise of modern pharmacology -- remains utterly neglected by modern medical science. Today's medical practitioners cannot grasp this simple concept, and they still insist that there are more than 10,000 different diseases, each requiring specific chemical or surgical treatments.

It's like running around a leaky house with a pail trying to catch all of the drops of water while billing Medicare for the cost of the pails. It would be better to simply fix the roof. But knowing that the roof is leaking requires some detective work, and conventional medicine has abandoned anything resembling real detective work. Today, it's all about identifying and treating the symptoms, then waiting for the patient to return with more symptoms caused by the treatments used on the first round of symptoms.

Someday, this whole system of modern medicine will be looked upon as quite foolish. Because it doesn't take a genius to figure out that fixing the leaky roof is the best way to prevent water from dripping into your home.
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Posted by Linda, 13:22 11 April 2007

Information on vitamin D: deficiency and related diseases, exposure to sunlight, etc. SAD and depression are mentioned. There are widespread deficiencies in this important vitamin throughout the higher latitudes, and most people are not aware of the consequences of this -- or of how valuable a little sunlight exposure can be.

http://downloads.truthpublishing.com/Sunlight.pdf
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Posted by Linda, 20:18 24 April 2007

This article is essentially about carcinogens (cancer-causing compunds) in foods, but I think it's just as relevant to sufferers of depression. If you include foods like these in your diet then they can end up wreaking havoc over time, and any number of symptoms can result, including depression and mental illness. So the next time you get the SAD-fuelled carb cravings, the info in this article is worth bearing in mind. True, one donut may not kill you -- but "one donut" here and there, along with other unhealthy foods, over 20 or 30 years or more, is a sure recipe for disaster.

Top cancer-causing foods:

http://www.newstarget.com/021808.html
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Posted by samleona, 12:48 30 April 2007

Hi linda,

I said ages ago I'd report back on how I got on. Unfortunately my will power was non existant and my cravings were too bad to be able to control what I was eating very well, although I managed to intergrate some better foods in amongst the rubbish. I still believe that changing my diet will make a big difference.
I've decided to start changing what I eat during the summer while I'm feeling good so that hopefully by next winter it will be more of a habit and easier to keep to. I can't believe it won't make me feel better.

Thank you for posting these articles they are really useful.
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Posted by Linda, 13:18 30 April 2007

I've been there too, I totally understand.

The past 3 months were rough for me as well. But I think it can be a signal that we still need to look for answers. I am trying like mad to secure some kind of teaching job for the autumn because no matter what else I do, the depression isn't going to lift until I get out of the house and get back to work. It helped when I worked 6 weeks last autumn but I had to quit because of overstimulation problems due to what my antidepressant had done to me when I discontinued it. That was a year ago now. Fingers crossed that things will be better with time having passed.

It sounds like you've got a good plan and are doing great. Diet alone often isn't enough though, especially for people who are having problems like depression. You could try looking into some supplements. There's some info in this topic, though I probably ought to look at that and revise it as I'm always learning more. And there's a wealth of info on the internet. If you have the good fortune of being able to access a naturopath in your area, that's probably the best thing of all to do. I've also been reading this book; it's from the US but was well worth getting, I've learned a lot from it:

Depression Cured At Last by Sherry Rogers M.D.
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Hope this helps. I bet you'll be feeling a lot better soon. It's been an incredibly sunny spring. Sometimes it just needs a little bit more intensity to help those of us who are really sunk LOL.

Take care,
Linda.
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Posted by Linda, 16:47 30 April 2007

Just trying to think about what I've learned since I've started this topic. The "Depression Cured at Last" book is excellent, but I can't exactly copy it all here. I want to try to avoid being too narrow in focus as well, because everyone's biochemistry is individual. I'm pretty strict with what I eat because I know that works well with my body. It isn't going to be the ideal for everybody. Having said that, there are good general guidelines to follow, such as not eating white flour, sugar, or processed foods. I felt better and my irritable bowel syndrome disappeared BEFORE I went on Paleo -- when all I did was have whole wheat instead of white flour products, and no sugar. You've got to be careful to hunt out the sugar though. Manufacturers put it in almost everything. I challenge you, especially if you are in the USA, to find a can of anything, or a loaf of bread, or a condiment, or a ready-meal, that doesn't contain sugar as well as other chemicals such as MSG. Home cooking is so, so worth the effort. I never knew what proper bolognaise sauce tasted like until I made it from scratch using just onions, garlic, fresh tomatoes, salt, basil, and lots of olive oil. I never knew the taste of real homemade meat stock until I made my own, and believe me I'd never want to touch a stock cube again.

Anyway, I'm digressing. What else can I talk about? OK . . .

Checklist for causes of depression. Things your doctor should go over with you or ask you but almost certainly wouldn't.

Dietary causes, nutritional deficiencies. There are tests for these using hair, urine or blood. Some deficiencies are so common that you may as well supplement for them by default, e.g. vitamin C, magnesium, and omega-3.

Underlying medical conditions. Your doctor should offer you a thorough physical checkup. You could have a hormone deficiency or thyroid dysfunction. Other diseases can also cause depression as a symptom, including cancer, heart disease, and diabetes. Sometimes depression can show up before you are aware that these other conditions are developing. The body is a whole, living organism, and all of its systems are interconnected. What is happening in one part of your body can affect other parts.

Allergies, including food allergies. You may not know you have a food allergy. Sometimes craving a certain food is an indication that you have an allergy. You can test yourself by eliminating certain foods one at a time for a week or so and see how it affects you. Good things to start with are grain and dairy, as these are the most common. I know of a case where a woman presenting psychotic symptoms became "normal" when she stopped drinking milk. The nose can be one target organ of an allergy, but any organ can actually be a target, including the brain. Your brain can't sneeze, but it can exhibit a wide variety of symptoms that would be classified as mental illness.

Toxins, ingested or environmental. Our bodies do not handle white flour or sugar well. Many chemicals are put in processed foods that aren't so good for us either, like MSG, which is a neurotoxin; or sodium nitrite, which is a carcinogen added to processed meats from hot dogs to bacon to make them look pink and fresh. Then there are things like alcohol and drugs. A surprising array of chemicals in the environment can also cause depression. People who have SAD, listen up:

It is not unknown for some people to have an adverse reaction to the sort of gas that is used to heat the home or for cooking. When do we tend to heat our homes? In the winter. It is a possibility that what you are labelling as SAD is a reaction to a toxin that is more prevalent in your environment in the winter, such as the gas that heats your home.

There are many other toxins to consider too. Probably the best way to address the subject for yourself is to think of when your depression or SAD cycle started, and ask yourself if it coincided with a change in your environment. Did you move house? Start a new job? Were either of those places being renovated? New carpets "outgas" chemicals. So do drapes and paint. Especially if the ventilation is poor, these can build up. I've read about a case of a woman who worked in a car park booth at a hospital and developed depression. She saw 4 experts at that hospital, they did many tests, and eventually labelled her as a hypochondriac because they couldn't figure out what was wrong with her. She saw a naturopath who worked out -- it didn't take long -- that the woman was being poisoned by inhaling carbon monoxide fumes daily. The levels in her blood were way above normal. This was remedied when she showed the test results to her employers, who agreed to install proper ventilation in the cark park booth.

Side effects of medications can cause depression. Almost any medication has the capacity to do this because it is a foreign agent in the system, and the body reacts to it as such. Statins have been known to cause depression, as have beta-blockers, and of course psychotropic drugs, even the ones that are actually supposed to relieve those depressive symptoms. Sometimes they can instead make them worse. In many cases, these medications aren't even necessary. With the right nutritional and lifestyle changes, the medications can be eliminated and you could end up feeling a whole lot better. This isn't the case 100% of the time, but probably 90% of the time. This estimate was given to me by a naturopath.

Then, of course, there are lifestyle factors to consider. Relationship problems, job dissatisfaction, loneliness, boredom, the death of a friend or loved one, frustration born of whatever cause -- depression can be a natural response to these.

There's so much more to say . . . I'll have a think.
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Posted by Linda, 20:35 30 April 2007

Other possible causes of depression:

Damage to the body from prescription medications. For example, some people who have taken psychotropic drugs end up being more prone to depression, even if it was not the original problem. Drugs can change a person's system in many ways, and healing can be incomplete if the body is not getting enough of the right nutrients.

Problems with gut flora and candida overgrowth. (Also see Leaky Gut Syndrome.) Candida is a fungus that is normally benign in the intestine; but when a person's body is in a weakened state for whatever reason -- for example, through an antibiotic killing off other healthy gut flora -- it can proliferate and start filling the system with its toxic by-products. It can also be fed by too much sugar in the diet.

Exposure to electromagnetic fields, e.g. living in a house near a pylon, or sleeping with your head against a wall where cables run.

Heavy metal toxicity. Some common sources are mercury amalgam dental fillings, contaminated tapwater, and chemicals in the workplace. There are tests that can determine amounts in the body. It is a good idea to get mercury amalgam fillings replaced whether or not they are the source of the problem, as they add to the total load of chemicals your body must detoxify daily. They can also cause problems with galvanism, especially if the composition of the fillings varies from one to the next.

There are many more possible causes of depression. It's important to take into consideration anything that could be throwing your system off balance. A good naturopath with a knowledge of nutritional and environmental medicine should be able to go through a checklist with you, if you find yourself uncertain about how to proceed, or feel you've tried many things but nothing seems to be working.
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Posted by Linda, 22:04 30 April 2007

"So why can't I get all the nutrients I need from a healthy diet? Surely there isn't a need to take supplements if I'm getting my 5-a-day fruit and veg."

"How can anyone be so sure that there are widespread nutritional deficiencies? We don't exactly see people dropping dead of scurvy on the streets of New York or London."

"I've eaten a healthy diet all my life. There's no way I can have nutritional deficiencies. This is all nonsense."

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First of all, a lot of people who claim to have a healthy diet, don't. I've written several posts here about this, and have shared links and articles. It's something that can be easily researched.

So, if you really do feel you are eating healthily and are still thinking the sorts of things I've written above, please read on.

First, when I talk about nutritional deficiencies, I don't just mean the classic deficiency diseases such as scurvy, anemia, and pellagra. Indeed these are no longer common in the developed world. RDA amounts have been calculated based on these -- they are the minimal amounts of any nutrient that will prevent the associated deprivation disease. They are not, however, the optimal amounts for human health. Most vitamins are safe to consume in many times the quantities prescribed by the RDA, and indeed some of them need to be in order to be of real benefit. Deficiency diseases may be rare in this day and age, but marginal deficiencies are more common than most people realise. Marginal deficiencies of vitamins and minerals can cause a huge variety of symptoms to manifest. A common one -- you guessed it -- is depression.

Why are the RDAs not higher then? One reason is because conventional medicine does not recognise the importance of diet and nutrients in maintaining good health. Vitamins cannot be patented. Pharmaceutical companies have no interest in getting people to take them, and would rather see people taking prescription drugs because that is how they make money. Pharmaceutical companies are in charge of what doctors learn in medical school. They learn how to diagnose and prescribe drugs. They do not learn why it is important to ask a patient about their diet. And so it goes. But let's get back to the topic at hand: nutritional deficiencies.

Common causes of nutritional deficiencies, and why they are more common than most people realise:

The state of your mother's nutritional health while she was pregnant with you can have a big effect on your own nutritional state of health. Nutritional deficiencies can be passed on from mother to child. And indeed, unless a woman eats a healthy diet and takes the time and care to replenish her reserves bewteen children, then subsequent children are likely to have worse deficiencies. I would like to see a study done on large families in which mental illness occurs. My bet is that the younger children are more prone to it. In fact, I've read some interesting ideas regarding mental health and the passing on of nutritional deficiencies. Many people believe, or are led to believe, that certain mental illnesses are genetic. You might say, for example, that bipolar disorder runs in your family. Or that a disproportionate number of people in your family suffer from mental illness, so it is not surprising that you do too. What you could really be inheriting is a genetic disposition to express a nutritional deficiency as bipolar disorder. You haven't inherited bipolar disorder as such, you have inherited the nutritional deficiency that manifests itself with those symptoms. This should be an incredibly empowering idea because it means that instead of accepting bipolar disorder as something you must live with and perhaps medicate the rest of your life, it can be seen as something that is within your power to cure.

Another cause of nutritional deficiencies which is more well known and mainstream is the actual state of being pregnant. The growing baby puts huge demands on the mother's reserves. If her system is lacking in a nutrient like calcium, then the baby will cause it to be taken from her bones in order to meet its own growing needs. What is known as post partum depression is often a consequence of nutritional deficiencies plus hormonal fluctuations, often exacerbated by poor diet. These women do not need antidepressants. What they desperately need is the nutrition that will put their bodies back in balance.

Biochemical individuality. It is a fact recognised by orthomolecular doctors and naturopaths that each person has a unique biochemistry. Some people need higher intakes of certain nutrients than others in order to be healthy. You may be taking in the "average" amount of a substance, which equals or exceeds the RDA, without being aware that your body actually needs more. Another possible reason why mental illness can seem to run in families. These needs for certain nutrients can run in families too. A good healthy diet, supplements, and trial and error can often help a person to discover what works with their body.

Medications. As mentioned above, the body sees these as foreign agents. The body has to use nutrients to metabolise them, and it also takes nutrients to detoxify them from the system. Any medication is likely to exacerbate exisitng nutritional deficiencies for these reasons. They can also have other direct adverse effects on the body, depending on what they are designed to do. Antacids, for example, can block the absorption of minerals and actually cause deficiencies where none previously existed.

Environmental toxins. I read an estimate by a specialist in environmental medicine which said that we expose our bodies, on average, to 500 chemicals a day. They were never designed to routinely handle such a toxic load. It puts a strain on the system, and detoxifying these chemicals from the body takes nutrients. When those nutrients are used in detoxification, they cannot be used elsewhere in the body, for example to make mood-lifting compounds in the brain. We need to ingest more nutrients than we did in the past if we are to function optimally in modern living conditions. For most people this means taking supplements.

The modern Western diet is not as nutrient-rich as the diet with which our ancestors evolved. The most nutrient-rich foods we can eat include vegetables, fruits, meats, fats, nuts, and several other things, some of which many of us would not think of ingesting today (e.g. insects). We have displaced these foods with others that are more nutirent-poor, including grains, potatoes, refined sugar, processed and junk foods. Some of these things have nutrients, but they fall far short of the amounts we would otherwise be getting if we were to satiate ourselves instead with more nutritious foods.

The sad truth is that even when we make a conscious effort to eat nutrient-rich foods like vegetables and fruit, those things do not contain as many vitamins and minerals as they did even a generation ago. I have posted some articles and links about this. You would have to eat two, three, or even four oranges today to get the same amount of nutrition you would have got from one orange grown 100 years ago. It really is a matter of eating more and still starving. The blame largely seems to fall on modern methods of intensive farming. Commercial fertilisers are only required to replace a handful of minerals in the soil. But virgin soil can contain upwards of 70 minerals, many of which are needed for human health in trace amounts. This again is a reason why all but the very healthiest people need to take supplements if they want to achieve optimal wellness.

Things we ingest can rob our bodies of nutrients. Phosphates from processed foods and soda pop can prevent the absorption of calcium, which can lead to osteoporosis (and remember that a deficiency of any vitamin or mineral can also manifest as depression). White sugar contains no nutrients itself, it has nothing to give to the body, but it has plenty to take because the body must use nutrients to metabolise it. There are many more examples that can be found.

When there is an imbalance of nutrients in the body, this can exacerbate deficiencies until things snowball out of control. An imbalance in nutrients can lead to malabsorption of other nutrients. This causes another deficiency. And on and on. For example, a lack of zinc, copper, boron, magnesium, or any combination of these, can lead to malabsorption of calcium. The standard treatment for osteoporosis is to give calcium. Few doctors think to look for an absorption problem. If this exists, then it doesn't matter how much calcium there is in the system already -- there may be plenty -- but it cannot be used. What cannot be used is stored in places like the blood vessels. So giving calcium for osteoporosis can result in calcification of the arteries. What actually needs to be addressed is the deficiency of minerals that make it possible for the body to use calcium.

There are many other things that could be covered in this topic. If you want more detail there are a lot of good books out there. I'm not an expert, but I hope that what I've said here shows what anyone can learn in a year if they are willing.

The last thing I'd like to mention is leaky gut syndrome. Until recently I didn't even know of its existence. Not that I do, I can see that it is potentially a very serious problem, and also is likely a very common one, though many people are unaware that they have it. Most doctors deny its very existence, which is not surprising because there are no pharmaceutical drugs to treat it, and most doctors would not know what to do if they couldn't prescribe a drug. (Write you off as a hypochondriac maybe, or give you a nebulous label like chronic fatigue syndrome.)

Leaky gut syndrome can cause a host of problems, including multiple nutritional deficiencies. This puts a lot of stress on the body and can lead to the development of degenerative diseases. In brief, here is how.

A "leaky gut" occurs when the openings between cells in the small intestine become too large, allowing large and partially-digested particles through. These particles are not in a state in which they can be properly absorbed. Other agents which are alien to the body can leak through as well, including bacteria and toxins. There are many bacteria which are benign and even necessary in the gut, which become toxic when they enter any other part of the body. What is more, the immune system may not recognise the leaking particles as bits of food that are harmless, and mount an attack. Your body then starts to see this food as a pathogen and can develop an allergic reaction to it, when up to this point in your life you ate the food with no ill effects at all.

There is a variety of possible causes of leaky gut syndrome. They can include: overuse of antibiotics (which kill beneficial gut flora), steroids, and NSAIDS (aspirin, ibuprofen, etc); a poor diet, high in processed foods and nutritional deficiencies (another example of the chicken-and-egg scenario); incomplete digestion; exposure to environmental toxins; stress; and parasites.

We have already seen that nutritional deficiencies can lead to depression. Other symptoms of leaky gut syndrome include: candida overgrowth, allergies, a weakened immune system, chronic fatigue syndrome; irritable bowel syndrome, and autoimmune diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis and lupus.

It's impossible to get a drug to fix leaky gut syndrome. It can be cured; but like other points discussed here, the solution involves work, education, and a willingness to change. It requires a shift to a healthier diet, as well as consumption of beneficial bacteria and various nutrients. There is a lot of info out there if you want to reseearch further, and again a good naturopath should be able to help you diagnose the specific problem and start healing your body.

I am still looking into ways of finding help in the UK. Naturopaths seem to be few and far between, and somehow I doubt they're available on the NHS. I'm pretty sure my own depression stems from things in my life circumstances that need changing, but I still research it in case there's something I may have missed. I also know that my future health, and that of my husband and daughter, depends on my knowledge of nutrition, and also my knowledge of where to get help if I need it. I'm not past seeing my GP, he can get tests done for me. I'm through with asking him to prescribe drugs though, and that's all many doctors are trained to do. Real healing, real medicine, is done at a molecular level with nutrition. How true that cliche, we are what we eat.

More info as I get it :) Best wishes for your good health.

Linda.
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Posted by Louise, 11:06 2 May 2007

Hello, it's been a while since I posted but I am having to look at my diet and eat more red meat as I have been diagnosed with anemia. This can feel very much like depression as you feel extremely tired and are prone to catching every bug there is around.

However the weather has made a difference as I do feel much more energetic since the sun has been shining. My light box has made a difference this winter so I've probably had SAD and anemia, at least I now feel that with the sun shining and changing my diet I can start to feel normal again and hopefully feel even better for next winter.

Thank you Linda for highlighting nutrition as women especially (because of loss of blood in menustration) can be prone to low iron levels which causes general fatique. I wouldn't have known my iron levels were so low if I hadn't have fainted and gone to the doctors as a result.

Hope everyone is feeling well with this lovely run of good weather. Long may it continue!

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Posted by Linda, 20:38 2 May 2007

That sounds like a nasty experience Louise. I'm glad you got to the bottom of it. Fortunately, iron-deficient anemia is something that doctors are pretty good at picking up and testing for. Why it should be iron and not other vitamins and minerals as well, I don't know. I've had problems with anemia in the past too and I know what the fatigue and fog are like. Red meat sounds like a good deal; I'm told that it helps much more than any iron supplements you could take, which are poorly absorbed. Liver is an excellent source.

Any idea what was causing your anemia?

Good luck with the diet and nutrition regime. You might find that the SAD is a lot less of a problem once those issues are addressed. It can be a big learning process. There are those stories we all like to hear of someone who found the magic bullet and instantly felt better. More often it takes digging around, self education, trial and error. I've tried to put the main things I've learned here in this topic but I still learn something new almost every day.

Sun is shining here too, it's great :)

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Posted by Louise, 10:01 3 May 2007

Hi Linda

My anemia is most likely caused by heavy periods, so I have been given some tablets which has helped with this. My doctor wishes to tackle the cause of the anemia rather than prescribing iron tablets, so I also have to change my diet. I still feel terribly drained at times but hope this will lessen when my iron levels rise. I've been told it will take at least 3 months for my iron to get to where it should be as it is quite low and I am being monitored with regular blood tests. I've been impressed with the doctors, they do seem good at finding out deficiencies in iron.

I agree, I do think my SAD will be much better when my iron level is normal, I've been blaming all my tiredness on SAD but now I wonder!

Hope you are making a good recovery with your nutrition regime.

All the best
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Posted by Linda, 12:23 3 May 2007

Hmmmm liver . . . cheap and healthy. It was prized by ancient people. Don't know why it seems to have fallen out of favour today.

I used to hate it until I found a way of cooking it that I like. I chop it up and marinade it in lemon juice, soy sauce and red wine for several hours. Then fry a couple of onions and a tomato or two in olive oil. Add the juices from the liver marinade and reduce them. Then add the liver and cook for three or four minutes -- the short cooking time seems to improve the texture and flavour.

You can have it raw in a tonic too, haven't tried that myself . . .

Good luck :)
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Posted by Louise, 16:13 3 May 2007

Thanks I'll give your receipe a try, it sounds good but I'll give raw liver a miss I think! I've been drinking guinness as it is supposed to have iron in it, and been cooking things like steak and kidney, lasagne with minced beef etc as well as trying to eat more greens. I was also advised by the doctor to eat black pudding.

Fortunately I'm not vegetarian (that would be very difficult in this situation), and actually like liver, kidney, black pudding, steaks etc but never really ate them that much.

A trip to the butchers beckons!

Hope you are keeping well Linda

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Posted by Suzie, 19:28 17 May 2007

NOTE TO LINDA:

Can I ask you to read the topic here called Nutrition Info, particularly the last few messages? I've been going through a lot of education this past year or so, and I've read some good books, and I've made a sort of checklist of many things you can take into consideration if you feel depressed. In your case I think it's well worth looking at what is happening in your life when you make the transition from feeling OK to feeling awful.


I am not going to get into a dicussion with you on the the post where this advice was posted.

This is a 13 year old child that is obviously in despair, who may be looking for answers. Nevertheless, you should not be directing a child to Nutrition Info or any other biased information. As an adult we are able to make an informed decision. As a mixed up, depressed child you are not.
For god sake Linda offer a shoulder to cry on or a lend an ear but Nutrition Info is something you should keep to yourself in this case.
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Posted by Linda, 20:25 17 May 2007

Excuse me but this info is here to help people. How is it in any way dangerous to a 13 year old? Maybe you don't go along with anything I've written here and that is your choice, but it is also other peoples' choices to read it and take what they will from it. I can't see how anything I said to this particular person was inappropriate.
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Posted by Suzie, 20:56 17 May 2007

This article is essentially about carcinogens (cancer-causing compunds) in foods, but I think it's just as relevant to sufferers of depression. If you include foods like these in your diet then they can end up wreaking havoc over time, and any number of symptoms can result, including depression and mental illness. So the next time you get the SAD-fuelled carb cravings, the info in this article is worth bearing in mind. True, one donut may not kill you -- but "one donut" here and there, along with other unhealthy foods, over 20 or 30 years or more, is a sure recipe for disaster
Top cancer-causing foods:




Death By Medicine
A definitive review and close reading of medical peer-review journals, and government health statistics shows that American medicine frequently causes more harm than good.


Two examples of what I don't think a vulnerable, mixed up child should be reading. As usual, your normal scaremongering.