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Posted by Anonymous, 03:53 19 February 2004

Hi, I'm new around here and after reading many of the posts I was wondering if anyone would share how you manage to keep a relationship working.

I am 39 years old and I have been divorced twice, while I don't blame SAD for the breakups it definatly made it more dificult to deal with the situations at the time. Especially when all I wanted to do was to crawl under my bed until april.

The reason for my question is I am now in a relationship and we have been living together for 2 years. I told him about my "winter thing" when we first got together, he thought he understood. Now when I withdraw he is upset that we are fighting even though i tell him its just me.

Anyways the whole story is too many words to write or read, I was just looking for some ideas or maybe even just finding out its not just me. I dont really know.

Sorry, seems to be a lot of work just punching the keys these days, hope this made sense to someone.

RD

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Posted by Pete, 10:01 19 February 2004

Hey RD, I was in a relationship for one year before she broke up with me last summer, I would probably partly blame it on my SAD but mostly I would blame it on her for not excepting me for who I'am... I'm only 19 years old and she was probably my first serious relationship, I learn't many things from it, I've become more selective now, I realized that looks isn't everything I would just want someone that could give unconditional love, is there through good and bad and is understanding.

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Posted by oldhippy, 10:02 19 February 2004

Hi RD

Let your partner read some of the topics in this forum and he proberly see something that perhaps you might find it harder to explain how SAD effects people. This time of year is the bad time to try and explain things and in the summer the last thing we want to do is dusscuss SAD, we just want to live life.

I know how much a killer SAD can be in relationships, and at the time you never think of SAD and rather consider the worse aspects.

Your effects are only to familular to many of use with SAD and trying to keep relationships going, beleave me I have lost so many in the winter time before I was told I had SAD, if only I had known before hand I was not a missrable sod in the winter perhaps I would have saved a few, but the last thing on your mind is trying to explian whats going on in your mind and how you are feeling with regards partners.

I was lucky in some ways my last partner lasted 5 years till the winter of 1995 when SAD took hold very badly and we split up. But I got some help and in 1996 was daiagnosed with SAD..

Its hard for partners of SADdies but it is a thing they must understand and know its not them its SAD effecting you....

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Posted by oldhippy, 10:06 19 February 2004

On a humour note :lol:

Just think of the perfect relationship for saddies..

Two saddies in a relationship :shock: :shock: :shock:

both hibernate for the winter :D :D

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Posted by Julie in Sussex, 10:18 19 February 2004

Hi there RD

Glad you've found the Forum, a fine bunch of good, if SAD, souls! It is at least a place where people can come and get things off their chests without being told to shut up/pull themselves together, or any of the other useless advice so often given by, well, one or two of the people I know for a start! Very sorry though that you have such troubles, on top of SAD, it really does make life even more of a struggle doesn't it. May I ask what your arsenal of weapons is to combat SAD ~ ie. Lightbox, meds, special diet, homeopathy, exercise, other alternative medicine....?????

I know that all we SAD folk spring to life in the summer, but hubby and I for example both tend to be the 'quieter' type of people, having a brilliant time, but enjoying others in small numbers rather than big parties, in the summer time. So, my winter time social-mode might not be that dramatic a change for him. I just wonder whether your SAD emphasises a greater extreme in your own lifestyle, ie. are you very outgoing and gregarious in summer, cutting right back in winter? This, I imagine could be difficult as your partner naturally remains just as 'driven' in the winter. If that is the case, perhaps slightly quietening down the summer you, doing plenty of fun stuff, but more gently and in smaller numbers, might make winter seem less of an extreme, (just a thought bearing in mind I don't even know you yet!!).

Sometimes for one SAD person to explain SAD to a non-saddie just comes out as blah blah blah, nothing seems to get through. Has your partner read the book The Winter Blues by Dr Norman Rosenthal? This might help him to see you as one of many SAD people world wide, rather just the isolated case he knows about at present. Do you know any other saddies? I only have one SAD friend, and though she has diagnosed herself with SAD, strangely she is still in some sort of denial persisting with her 'strength of character', so she's not really any help for my husband to talk to.

The more 'hard copy' information I give my friends on SAD which comes from reputable sources, the more credibility I have. Documented evidence has much more punch than my own description.

I have no idea at all if that has been of any use. I apologise if I rambled (SAD brain today). What type of work do you do as 'self employed'? I have a lovely bunch of friends in Vancouver, whereabouts are you?

Kindest things, Julie

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Posted by Anonymous, 17:48 19 February 2004

Thank you everyone, you have no idea how great it is to hear I am not alone! Well, your all here so I guess maybe you do. :)

My first marrage lasted 7 years, He is the one that told me I had SAD for the first time. My secound lasted 10 years. Part way through that I started to believe that maybe my first husband was right. I read what I could but never could find much. About 10 years ago we moved to the rainiest small town in lower B.C., needless to say it didn't help much. I finnally got the nerve to ask a doctor about it but didn't get much other than go for a walk and get less stress. Now I'm wondering....what makes someone think you can just wake up one morning and decide...oh I dont feel like having this stress today I think I'll get rid of it??????

Anyhow the next year I lasted to about Feb. but was having the worst winter ever, so back I went and he gave me some kind of anti depreasent. being desperate I gave it a shot. Worked great...if I didn't mind being a total vegtable zombie! lasted a month and flushed them really quick. The next september I was getting pretty freaked by the thought of going through another winter, so back in I went. This time I had done a bit more reading and asked about light therapy, I think he had met a couple of others or got more info at that point because he was all for it, even gave me a perscription for a light (didnt help with medical but he thought we could give it a try). It took me a while to get one then took me a while before I felt I really needed to do something. It seemed to work a bit but was not the answer to my dreams.

I think I have never really admited to myself that this is a real medical problem, you talk to people and everyone says...ya i get the blaas in the winter too, you just have to....whatever. The breakthrough for me I think was last winter I was visiting my parents and got the nerve to mention it to them and my mom looked at me with stund eyes and said "your dad has issues in the winter too!"

This winter I started with my light in September, I also take Ginsing and vitamins. I have been taking karate for 8 years, 4 nights a week. So far this has been the best winter I can remember in forever.

My business I design and create jewelry but I am not creative in the winter so I also make all natural soap. That way I can continue working at home and not have to worry about coming up with new ideas. I make my recipes for my soap in the summer.

I have recently had a small set back. We went away for almost a week and when we got back I didn't use my light for a while. Now, no matter what I do I can't bring myself up. My sleep is messed up, I can't get out of bed, the last thing I want to do is go to class (and I teach two nights a week), I've burnt dinner 3 nights in a row, I've crashed right down to the bottom, the last thing I want to do is paste another fony smile on my face these days. This is what led to my question about the relationships, I just don't know how to explain it to him.

WOW, sorry for all the rambling! show a little bit of interest and the flood gates crash open!!! I am normally one of those people that keeps thier problems to themselves, no one understands anyways. So even if you scan over it, thankyou for giving me the chance to spill.

RD

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Posted by Julie in Sussex, 18:32 19 February 2004

Hi RD

Do you know, perhaps you should just get your man to read the post you have just put up above. All you say is as clear as day to me for one, so maybe if he had a read..... you never know!

Are you really strict with youself about the precise time of day when you use your light, duration of use, and distance from the lightbox? This does make a huge difference ~ also unless there is an emergency, I try not to even miss one morning.

Hang on in there. Julie

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Posted by joeybear, 21:45 19 February 2004

Funny finding this thread about relationships this evening, I had a big discussion with my boyfriend today cos I'm just feeling like hes not making the effort, when really I'm just feeling so sick and tired of having to make the effort with things that I'm starting to take it out on him...

But reading this just reminded me that its not me or him, its the bloody winter!

Im detirmined to make it through the winter with him...

Thanks you guys! :)

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Posted by siddy, 07:41 20 February 2004

Hello,

sounds like the problems might have really got worse when you took a dip in your mood with lack of lighbox routine :cry: .

I have had a big fight with the mornings and luckily won!. I wasn't using my dawn simulator and putting it off and off and feeling very lethargic unable to get out of bed. I really made a concerted effort to use it and be awake at seven in the morning. It was a big struggle with the warm bed nearly winning on a few occasions but after a few weeks it now feels easy (compared) to get up and I have a bit more energy in the day.

okay, I still managed to leave my mobile phone in the cafe (luckily it was returned!) and I can't remember peoples names who I have known for years but the relationship with my woman is a bit easier as I am a bit more relaxed 8) .

p.s. those alleged friends Julie was talking about have in fact taken out a restraining order on her visiting after a particularly vicious assault. 8)

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Posted by Julie in Sussex, 09:27 20 February 2004

Siddy ! :evil:
Thanks for your ps, you can always be relied upon to give a sad girl a boost ~ how often is it that they let you out to use a computer?

RD you'll get to know our Siddy soon, he's a real tough hard case, but only on the outside.

Kindest things, even to Siddy! Julie :D

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Posted by Bright One, 10:30 20 February 2004

RD,

I'm not allowed to miss my lightbox. If I'm feeling lethargic then my hubby brings my lightbox to me or plonks it down in front of me. Then puts the cat on my knee so I can't move and hands me a cup of tea. I get told to "stay there I'll do the dishes".

I think the most useful tool to develop is communication. On an up day make sure you explain that it's hard to talk and sometimes you can't get your thoughts straight to explain the things that are bad.

People can't help if they don't understand, as you have already found. You couldn't help yourself when you didn't understand.

It is such hard work sometimes. Sometimes I struggle to get myself to use my lightbox but as I said my other half is on the case AND I can usually push myself because I don't really want to know what it is like to have full blown SAD again. I've spent 4 years getting myself into a routine and I'm too stubborn to give it up now.
The most practical advice I can offer is make sure your partner has a chance to understand. I found the easiest way to tell my partner how I was feeling, at least to begin with, was to write it down. At first I had to leave the room while he was reading it but now I can just tell him face to face. I still find it hard trying to explain the weird and wonderful workings of a SAD mind but it helps him to understand. It has also helped me to remember that he has feelings too and when I'm sad (and SAD) I'm not the only one who suffers.

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Posted by sebrown, 11:18 20 February 2004

I'm really lucky
I've been married for almost 18 years and my hubby
is really understanding. He is very outgoing so he finds winter difficult
because I don't want to go to social occassions with him, but
he doesn't push me to do anything I don't want to do.
I find it difficult to talk to him about it so I gave him leaflets on it.
He accepts that I have soial phobia, an appalling memory, anxiety
and depression but he doesn't like it.
It's easier to just think of ourselves this time of year but our partners
are going through it too.
They need all of the info on it that they can have so that they can
try and be more understanding, but obviously it will still affect them too.

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Posted by Anonymous, 17:29 20 February 2004

Hi I am 39 years .....oh I said that already LOL

Thank you everyone!

A lot of these things I've never even thought of (including the lack of memory part, never put it together with winter always just thought I wasnt paying attention). I didnt realize that routine would be important, figured if I felt down, I sit in front of my light. Should have known better considering the light didnt work very well until I started using it in September - before winter really kicked in!

And Siddy - yes I went for a real crash after missing my light for a while. and once I got back to it, it didn't seem to be helping at all. I think I am on the up swing now. I actually got out of bed before 10 this morning! (in the summer I am up at 6 am). I see you use a dawn stimulator, I was looking into them, can't afford one now but I was thinking about next winter. Does anyone else use them? By your post Siddy I am assuming you find it invaluble?

I plan on getting my guy to read some of this forum. I have in the past sent him lots of links but he has never said anything so I don't know if he is looking at them. I have the book "winter blues" and he did say he would read it but hasnt had a chance to yet. He is a wonderful wonderful man and we love each other very much but I dont' think he really believes in the SAD thing, I don't know - guess I'll find out when he reads this post!

As everyone has said, it is very hard to explain something if you don't understand it yourself. I want to thank everyone again for your help, knowing I am not alone or insane :? really helps.

RD

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Posted by siddy, 19:41 20 February 2004

hello,

I didn't realise how valuable until I started using it again! I am the type that goes through a lot of denial :? about my condition until it pulls me right down. This year I have done a diary on my computer so that next year I can read it and hopefully take note!

Cheap remedy idea, buy a digital timeswitch (about £10-£15) and connect to bedside lamp with preferably an energy saving (flourescent bulb) and see if this is any help. A word of warning I have found it has to come on at the shocking time of 7am to work for me :(

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Posted by Pete, 20:11 20 February 2004

siddy thats sounds like an exelent idea......... but would it make any diffrence if it doesn't fade out or fade open??

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Posted by siddy, 20:40 20 February 2004

Melatonin secretion is dramatically reduced by very low levels of lux, theoretically it should help and if the lightbox is by the bed this can also be switched on either manually or by timeswitch a few minutes after.

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Posted by Bright One, 11:31 22 February 2004

When my husband was in his old job he had to be up at 7 and him switching the light on - whilst generally unwelcome - was an excellent way of getting me to the next stage of wake up i.e. just after complaining about the alarm.

Whilst it won't be such a gentle wake up, coupled with an alarm noise shortly after, a lightbox close to hand and an iron determination that you will keep at it... it will have some benefit over not waking up to light.

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Posted by Anonymous, 20:20 24 February 2004

i know this is interupting and im not meaning to, i feel like a bit of an outsider here, and yet i know that you will be able to help me, i do not suffer from S.A.D but my boyfriend does and well i need some help in helping him, ive got problems myself with the way my epilepsy affects me so im not a very confidant person,
but i want to be able to help him and to be here for him, (i think i am going to give him a link to this forum as he tends to keep it to himself and seeing what you have to say and that he is not alone may help him somewhat.)
oh i dont know i dont know how to help :roll: :(
im trying to get to grips with what it entails and such so hopefully by doing that i will make him feel a little better,as he is feeling insecure and keeps thinking i am going to leave him, the thing is i never will and im beginning to think he will leave me because i dont understand...call me paranoid but people have been leaving me all my life and i do not want to loose him, i feel a little happier because now i know i can help and i know that it is not me that is upsetting him, infact i know this email is confusing, im just getting my thoughts down and well asking for help.
i love my boyfriend dearly and he is very close to me and i to him i ahve known him since july last year and have always understood him but its only recently that he has told me about S.A.D, so naturally i want to support him,
any advise would be welcome as i am quite worried about him as he does not seem to be getting any treatment for it and has just been kicked out of college for not turning in for lessons, even though it is not his fault , he just has not been able to get up or sleep properly and it is becoming a real barrier in his life.( i am not pleased with his colleges actions and think it is appalling the way they are treating him, they are accusing him of lying about it and will not let him study at home during the times which affect him most)
oh im just a very worried and paranoid girl that does not want to worry her boyfriend further by being worried about it, does that make sense? oh i dont even amke sense ot myself i hope someone understands what i have just said, but i have nobody else to turn to,
thank you for any help you can supply.
wove
chez
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Posted by Arken74, 23:25 24 February 2004

Hiya Chez
I've just read your post and after chatting to you earlier, I reckon your a great girl and are pretty much doing everything you can to support him. Tell your boyfriend that even if he doesn't want to join in with anything for a while, just to be here and reading what others have put is a great help when you feel you have been on your own for so long. I know it really helped me, my boyfriend is so great and tries everything he can to cheer me up but there are times I've tried to explain to him that is nothing he can do to bring me out of it. He can tell by his face he is worried and doesn't know what to do because he usually makes me laugh. I have also been through the whole worrying thing that he will leave me because I'm so depressing and miserable but he's always there with a hug when I need it and doesn't keep telling me to cheer up or snap out of it. This really is the best thing that he can do for me but you can feel so isolated even with everyone being so kind to you. It wasn't really until I found this place that I felt I wasn't alone. When I first told my boyfriend about it he thought it wasn't a good idea because we would all be sitting around chatting and depressing each other but as you saw tonight, it can be quite mad but you know people are here if you need them and that is a really great feeling. It would be brilliant if you could get him here but in the mean time, keep doing what you are doing, but also don't stress too much if you are epileptic, remember, the days are getting longer and it'll start to get better soon. Tell him a fellow saddo is thinking of him and wishing him well. Look forward to speaking to you again soon.
Take care
Karen :wink:

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Posted by chez, 15:34 25 February 2004

thanx for the reply, that means alot to me and will mean alot to devon too, ill get him to visit here soon, in the meanwhile im going to find that book you have mentioned on numerous occasions,
im also organising a holiday for my boyfriend and me in the beginning of summer(after the exams) he really does deserve one wish i could take him on one now but we are both busy,
does coffee seriously make the symptoms worse or does it depend upon the person?--sorry i have seen this mentioned and am confused.
(devon really likes coffee, and drinks it alot :roll: )

anyway im pretty tired so im going to go and sleep, my tablets are anoying me tegretol should be banned it just causes depression and fatigue and doesnt stop the flamin seizures anyway raaaaa, sorry ill shut up i shouldnt be whining i should be sleeping lol so ill go now,

but the talk last night made me feel alot more comfortable and made me feel like i can understand, so im going to curb my worrying and look after devon in the best way i know how to show him im still here and that i love him loads.

i really value all your opinions and from reading your posts can see that you are all lovely people and i'd like to be able to call you my friends in time,

lots of hugs
wove chez
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Posted by Arken74, 17:51 25 February 2004

Does he generally suffer from nerves at other times of the year, I don't mean like a quivering wreck or anything but does he get wound up quite easily? One of the things I found very tempting was to keep drinking loads of coffee in the morning because of my studying, this I did up until Chrstmas, but I had the really bad panics and was shaking, sweating, feeling sick, all that stuff. My doctor told me I had to cut right down, so I now have a couple of normal tea's/coffee's in the morning but after mid day, go over to decaf and once it got out of my system a bit, it did help. I was actually told at the hospital that I should stop all together, so went from loads to none for 3 days. When I told my doctor, she said that caffeine is a drug of form, and you should never just stop taking any drug as it will make you feel very ill. She said it was fine to have caffeine in the morning as it does give you a boost but cut it the rest of the day. I was feeling really bad at the time and assumed it was just how I was feeling but I went home and had a cup of tea and within half an hour, felt so much better, so it's true what she said. I have alot of faith in my Doctor because she's brill and I don't normally trust them. I do suffer with nerves all of the time and have a really bad temper (which I am learning to control) and I do feel a whole lot better and my sleep has been better since I cut down, I'm even managing to do my studies without falling asleep so I don't even really need more than I'm having. I'm sure it doesn't affect everyone because my boyfriend drinks nothing but coffee even just before he goes to bed and has no problems sleeping but he has never suffered with any form of nervous condition and is one of the most laid back people ever (lucky bastard). I think it would probably be worth Devon giving it a try though. One of the decaf coffees I got was nasty but I think it was a cheap one, but my boyf's mum used to get One that was nice. I can't remember what make is was but it was one of the really well known makes and had a green label, and I think the jar was more squared than rounded (if that makes any sense), I could never really tell it was decaf. Try getting him to go to bed resonabley early so he gets a good nights sleep and then gets up earlier than he is so he gets as much daylight as he can. It'll be really difficult at first and will probably take a good few weeks before he can master the getting up bit but if he wants to feel better, I think it's a good place to start. I am totally lost and depressed without my routine.
As for you, my boyfriends best mate, Gavin, was on Epilepsy meds and they made him feel so ill all the time. Haven't seen him for years (we fell out) but I think he's getting on ok now. But you can't be there for Devon if you make yourself ill with worry, so just remember that. How long have you had the epilepsy???? Gavin was diagnosed when he was about 27 :?

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Posted by Bright One, 09:48 26 February 2004

I followed advice to cut out (you can just cut down) coffee and tea because although they have an initial stimulant effect they actually depress your system. Basically you pay for the high. Ideally cutting down and seeing how it feels is a good approach but be aware that it can make you feel worse before you feel better. I felt exhausted for 2 weeks and then was fine.

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Posted by Arken74, 10:00 26 February 2004

In that case B1, do you reckon if I got round to cutting it out completely, I could eventually get over that sitting round like a Zombie feeling? I'm not one of these 'out of bed and straight for the coffee' types, but I do find I cannot rally around until I've had that initial kick. I'm sitting here now, drinking a cup of coffee and I don't even like it. Depending on what time I get up, I only have 1 or 2 and after mid day, it's strictly decaf and I don't notice as much of an afternoon dip as I used to when I drank it all the time. I thought I wouldn't be able to manage the studies at all without the gallon of coffee a day but I seem almost better than I was. It's just that morning bit which goes on all day unless I have some coffee. Did you get over that?

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Posted by Pete, 10:17 26 February 2004

correct me if I'm wrong but I think people build a resistance to coffee so the more you drink the more you need, am'I right about this?

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Posted by Bright One, 10:21 26 February 2004

Hmm... if you're drinking mainly decaff and you

don't even like it

I'd be wondering if it wasn't a mental dependency rather than a physical one. Do you know what I mean? I think you can have good routines and bad routines and for some reason good routines are really hard to get into and bad routines are really hard to get out of!

I haven't had tea or coffee for six years (well the odd mouthful of tea but I find it a bit strong) and I don't have as many problems getting up or working in the afternoon as I did but that could be because I'm more in control of my SAD symptoms!

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Posted by Arken74, 11:51 26 February 2004

Aw no B1, it was proper coffee I was drinking. See, I love tea but it doesn't seem to have enough of the kick so I have the coffee which sorta gets me shiftin. The decaf coffee I have is so vile, I only tried one cup, but I'm getting used to the decaf tea. Not sure about the mental dependancy because caffeine is an upper but then it could also be one of these things that because I think it will work, it will. Maybe I should start telling myself that my decaf tea has twice as much caffeine as coffee. I'm doing very well now without my afternoon coffee binge so maybe I can retrain myself. So what do you drink, do you go for the herbal types?

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Posted by Bright One, 19:42 26 February 2004

I drink herbal tea (peppermint, camomile etc) and redbush.
Try a trick a friend told me about mix decaff coffee and ordinary coffee together. E.g. when the jar is about 1/4 gone top it up with decaff (make sure you give it stir... this might mean some messy pouring out and pouring back in malarky). When it's a 1/4 gone do the same again. In theory you should eventually have all decaff in the jar... in theory.

The 'caffeine' addicts at my mum's work still haven't realised that she's been refilling the caffeinated coffee jar with decaff for years now. They insist that they need it but what they don't realise is that it's just decaff with the non-decaff label. Basically she does the tea money and buys the tea and coffee and can't be bothered farting around deciding whether it's decaff, non-decaff or both that need refilling so she just tops them both up with decaff... she's a cheeky one.

All the caffeine junkies are probably walking around with caffeine starvation headaches wondering what's wrong!

with some things 'thinking' that they will do you good is the entire actual benefit (did that make sense).

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Posted by Arken74, 20:17 26 February 2004

Oh that is so excellent, good on her. Anyway, I love the peppermint tea and as I also have IBS, it's extremly beneficial, also Ginger tea is quite nice though sometimes slightly too spicy for me. When I was going through my bad panics, it started my stomach problems off and I was putting a peppermint teabag and a Ginger and lemon teabag in a mug together. It was lovely and really made the bad pains go off. I just can't stand the fruit tea's personally. I think they smell nice but juste taste like cat pee (i should imagine). I think I am going to have to put my brain into action and get myself totally decaf, maybe I'll wait til the beginning of July though as Summer will be in full swing and I will be on college holidays with all my exams behind my for a couple of months.
And, yes I have tried the rooibos, I thought it was nice, made by Dr. ???.
I was a serious caffeine junkey when I had it though so I don't think the effects were as good as they could have been. I haven't seen it for ages but I think I'll have to have a trail round the health shops and find some more, it'll probably do more for me now I'm off the hard stuff :wink:
Anyway, that's all for now
Bye

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Posted by Arken74, 13:15 14 March 2004

Hi Bright One
Just wanted to tell you, after these conversations about decaf tea and coffee...........................
I actually had a cup of 'proper tea' yesterday after drinking decaf for about 3 weeks and it tasted vile. This is from one who previously loved a good ole cuppa. I wasn't too sure about the decaf to start with but now I'm an addict. I didn't think I could ever be converted, it just goes to show you doesn't it.
I have tried cutting out my morning coffee, but I have been sitting at my desk, staring at my homework like it's written in Swaheli and eventually going back to the coffee.
I suppose I'm half way there, so it's not all bad :wink:

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