St John's Wort

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retiredstudent
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Posted by retiredstudent, 14:03 25 August 2005

Hi all.

The weather's taking a turn towards autumn and we're already getting some miserable days. I found this forum a couple of weeks ago just as the old SAD was starting to hit again.

Because I know how horrible SAD is (it massively affects my work, my outlook and my libido), I really want to let everyone know how I deal with it - so other people can benefit.

Because some of the days are a bit dull now and I'm working inside a lot, I've started to use the lamp again and top up with one St John's Wort tablet a day. Having had a truly horrible winter, I have every intention of hitting the ground running this autumn.

I think I have a fairly heavy case of SAD but I really try to get in the sun when I can, I stick the lamp on when it's dull and I take St John's Wort. The combination of all of these is what keeps me sane.

If you don't already use St John's Wort and you still have symptoms despite a lamp, I would recommend looking into it. I'm sure it makes a difference for me. Do check with your doctor first though - esp if you are on any other medication.


Also - exercise, plenty of exercise. This helps boost my energy levels and helps me think everything through more clearly.
sal2612
joined 27 Aug 2004
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Posted by sal2612, 09:52 26 August 2005

I've heard that St Johns Wort can make your body extra sensative to light and so it shouldnt be taken alongside light therapy
Dont have any experiences myself but that's what I've heard.
retiredstudent
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Posted by retiredstudent, 20:40 26 August 2005

I haven't heard of any conflict between St John's Wort and light therapy. In fact, it was my doctor who recommended it in addition to light therapy.

I've never experienced any particular sensitivity with it. I have real problems with bright light when I wear my contact lenses, so I know what it feels like. Even if it did affect me like that, the benefits of using SJW would far outweigh any light sensitivity issues.

In short, I happily and effectively combine SJW and light therapy.
Sunshine
joined 22 Feb 2005
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Posted by Sunshine, 20:57 26 August 2005

I've only heard good things about SJW and know a few people who say it helps with SAD. I cannot take it as it would conflict with my other medication (not related to SAD) but I've never heard it can make you sensitive to light either?
sal2612
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Posted by sal2612, 21:21 26 August 2005

I think it was acutally in a SADA thing (something that came with a newsletter maybe?). I've never tried it as I've heard it clashes with so many other things, I might think about it for this year though if others are having success with it.
What would you say helps more - light boxes or st johns wort (for those that have tried both)?
Sal
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Posted by Joel, 21:57 26 August 2005

Yeah it is well known (or apparently not) that Hypericum perforatum preparations can cause photosensitivity - it was one of the first warnings that I read when I started investigating treatments for SAD, and it is indeed mentioned in the only SADA press release on their website. Hence, it is only generally recommended for clinical depression rather than SAD. We are not talking about useful photosensitivity (i.e. one that would make light more effective for SAD treatment) either, but a phytophotodermatitis caused by the reaction of toxin hypericin (from the Hypericum preparation) circulating in your body to light of a wavelength of 550-610nm through your skin.

I’ve had a brief run in with a phytophotodermatitis caused by Pastinaca sativa. I fell on to some without realising it whilst doing an ecological survey on a very sunny day. The result was instant sunburn, where my skin had touched the pieces of plant shredded by brush cuttin. It took me longer to piece together what must have happened, than it did for the burning to reveal itself. I have never had sunburn like it before in my life; I usually go pink for a day and itch a bit at worst, and do not experience huge ballooning blisters with a level of pain to match their size.
sal2612
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Posted by sal2612, 22:02 26 August 2005

I'm a little confused - are you talking about something similar to st johns wort?
Joel
Joel
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Posted by Joel, 22:20 26 August 2005

Hypericum perforatum is the species of what you are commonly referring to as 'St John's Wort’ used in herbal medicine.

Pastinaca sativa , with which I had my painful intimacy helped by sunlight, is commonly known as ‘wild parsnip’ round these parts.

I hope that clears that up. Sorry, all part of doing ecology and learning the importance of scientific names for the international identification of species.
Lorraine
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Posted by Lorraine, 18:27 15 September 2005

I've seen the SADA warning. I may give SJW a go. I'm not on the pill (which it reduces the effectiveness of) and to be honest I've never really got on that fantastically well with light therapy, perhaps because I am not terribly consistent with it.
GreenGianty
joined 5 Oct 2005
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Posted by GreenGianty, 07:34 9 October 2005

I have tried SJW for about 3 weeks, however I found I started to get heart palpitations while on it (similar to those you get if you drink too much coffee :wink: ).

Stopped the SJW 2 days ago, no more heart palpitations.

:roll:

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Brian
paulst
joined 5 Oct 2005
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Posted by paulst, 09:29 9 October 2005

i tried st johns wort last winter and it made me feel worse, it gave me headaches and nausea. ive also read you should nt use it with a lightbox :( paul
Curious George
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Posted by Curious George, 20:51 16 January 2008

The St. John's Wort I buy here in Montreal has a warning on the bottle saying not to do expose yourself to U.V. light while taking it.

This web site says that light affects cattle that ingest SJW, and some humans: http://www.mdidea.com/products/herbextract/stjohn/data.html
paulst
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Posted by paulst, 17:53 17 January 2008

The last time I took sjw, I didnt really give it long enough to work properly, next winter I might give it another go, but give it time to work properly.
shelley
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Posted by shelley, 23:32 17 January 2008

I take st johns wort along with using a sad light & I hav'nt suffered any light sensitivity at all - I think st johns wort works better than antidepressants it gets me through every winter without all the horrible side effects of prescription medication
paulst
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Posted by paulst, 15:31 18 January 2008

Sjw can be a very useful drug but it doesnt suit everybody, how long have you been taking it?
skylite
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Posted by skylite, 13:02 20 January 2008

I recently started using a lightbox and I find that it seems to hugley increase my energy levels for the afternoon if I sit under it for an hour in the morning. I have taken St. Johns Wort once and found it really helped tha anxiety side of things, which the lightbox does not seem to affect at all. I too was reading the warnings about combining the two, that cataracts etc can be caused. has anybody used both for long periods of time?
Delphi
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Posted by Delphi, 12:24 22 January 2008

I have been taking SJW since end October and use a lightbox (although not daily). I checked with my GP about the photosensitivity thing and he said that he thought my eyes would be fine, and not to worry about it.
HTH
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paulst
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Posted by paulst, 15:56 22 January 2008

I think most people are ok but it seems there are a small number of people who are effected, I must admit I have tried them together without any ill effects, perhaps its down to eye colour or something like that, im not an expert, so if anyone knows the reason, I would be very interested.


paul

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