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Sallie
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Posted by Sallie, 14:49 3 March 2003

Hi, i was diagnosed with SAD about 3 years ago when i kept skipping school to stay in my nice warm bed. Since then i have seen a psychiatrist every 6 months who has done sod all except put me on prozac which made me sleep for 16 hours each day. i used to get really depressed during winter, but during the past 2 winters i have found that i just get really sleepy. At the moment i sleep about 10 hours a day, feel quite happy but just can't stay awake during lectures. Doctor says this isn't explained by SAD, but all bloodtests came back normal. Has anyone else had problems staying awake even after a good nights' sleep? If not, CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN THIS AND WHAT I CAN DO ABOUT IT?!! IT'S DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!

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Posted by Anonymous, 15:58 3 March 2003

Sallie,

I don't know how to explain the reasons, but I too have the smae problem...so much sleep and yet still so tired.

I sleep about 10-11 hrs a night, and still find I am tired during the day and also getting very moody with it.

I too am on prozac and nothing else... if there is anyone who can help us, please let us know.

Take care,

Becci
Julie in Sussex
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Posted by Julie in Sussex, 17:53 3 March 2003

Hi there both Sallie and Becci ~ I totally appreciate the sleep and sleep some more with no sense of being refreshed cycle. It's simply hell, but is completely typical of SAD. However, it might just be that your antidepressants are exacerbating your sleep problem. Initially I was treated by the Dr as a depressive and prescribed Prozac and later Effexor and I honestly felt even more tired, to the point I was very nearly asleep in a day for more hours than I was awake! So, going down the self-help route, after endless research on the internet and reading the book by Norman Rosenthal The Winter Blues, I VERY SLOWLY stopped my medication (but don't go doing that without first seeing your Doctor as some are very difficult to come off without horrible side effects), and a while later I began with Light Therapy. Having been really ill for 4 solid months (my typical winter!) after just 10 days using a light box I was completely well, and absolutely amazed! So, for you the upside is that you don't feel depressed which is a major bonus in itself (though Becci says she is moody), but it could well be the medication which is making you more tired. It seems like Catch22, but there are options. Have you tried St Johns Wort, it's homeopathic and works for a lot of SAD people, have you asked your Dr if you can be referred to an NHS SAD Clinic, have you thought of renting/buying a light box...? Be gently persistent, taking one option at a time, like that you will appreciate which one is working for you and you will be able to handle next winter. Every good wish for a bright outcome, let us all know how you get on. Julie
Bright One
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Posted by Bright One, 17:55 3 March 2003

You sleep for ten hours but could happily sleep for more...

I think you've basically identified the problem. You need to reset your body clock. It's bloody hard work but you need to set a time that you are always awake by e.g. never sleep beyond 8.30 and have a regular(ish) bedtime. Slot in some regular exercise (motivation is very hard if you have SAD but stay focussed) to get yourself used to being awake. Sounds sad (no pun intended) but get yourself out of bed and go for a walk.

All the above is incredibly hard if you have SAD and the tiredness doesn't disappear entirely (I have incredibly slothful days- not good in the middle of a meeting or in lectures if I think back to uni) but you can programme your body out of the pattern to a degree.

When I was in my first year of uni (and living on campus) I would get up at 10.30 for a lecture at 11 have lunch 12.30 on my return. Sit on my bed 'to read' and fall asleep, wake up, eat, watch neighbours, sleep and then get up at 1 the following day to go to a lecture at 2. Slept loads, felt tired most of the time BUT with a lot of hard work you can ease the tiredness by setting yourself strict sleep and wake patterns.

Might work- might not, as i said bloody hard work but worth it.
Sallie
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Posted by Sallie, 15:18 4 March 2003

Hi to becci, julie & bright one! Thanx 4 ur advice, especially to Bright One who seems to have lived my uni years 2! What i forgot to mention was that i took myself off the prozac after about a month coz they were doing nothing for me except making me sleep 4 16 hrs each day. Typical day consisted of bed at 11pm, maybe open my eyes when alarm went off at 8am, back 2 sleep & wake at around 1pm, have some dinner, watch some telly, doze off around 4pm, wake up again around 6pm, have more dinner, try to do some work then bed at 11pm. If i did manage to make it into college i'd be guaranteed 2 fall sleep in every single lesson, then get home and sleep for another 2 hours. Life was asleep! That's y i came off the prozac.

Now i can get 10 - 11 hours sleep (without the prozac) but still fall sleep during the day/whilst reading/especially during lectures.

Psychiatrist in Leicester (my home town) says there isn't enough funding to let me have/borrow a lightbox, and Dr in Middlesbrough (my uni town) says there's absolutely nothing up here as far as lightboxes are concerned. Can't afford 2 buy one on student loan, especially if it doesn't work. Have tried talking to the health psychologist at uni 2 c if she could offer any advice, but she was foreign & didn't seem to have a clue what i was talking about. Has any1 got a lightbox? Are they worth the £100's of pounds u have 2 pay? Which is the best 2 get?

ThanQ all.
Julie in Sussex
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Posted by Julie in Sussex, 20:49 4 March 2003

Hi Sallie ~ well, you have certainly tried! Remain persistent, you will get there in the end you know!

First of all, you might like to visit : http://www.outsidein.co.uk/sadrange.htm
~ this will show you the entire range of lightboxes stocked by OutsideIn. This is a really extensive range, a better selection would be very hard to find. I have a Satellite, it's like an angle poise lamp therefore possible to put it on a coffee table, by the bed, on the desk, mine is actually on top of my monitor where I have a computer flat top and the Satellite is in its collapsed-mode. I have done a cut and paste of the guarantee which appears on their order form:

Satisfaction Guaranteed We have a Home Trial system for our SAD / Therapy products so you can be sure that what you order actually helps.
The Small Print! UK only. If at any time up to 21 days from the date of delivery you decide that you wish to return the unit phone Outside In during office hours and tell us. We will arrange to have a lightbox or Visor collected from your home (mainland only), it is your responsibility and cost to return a clock. As soon as we receive it back we will refund all your money including standard delivery charge. The exceptions are we will make a £15 refurbishment charge for a Visor and a £10 restocking charge for a clock. If the unit is scratched or damaged we will tell you what the problem is and we may have to charge for any repair at a cost of £20.00per hour plus materials. We will not charge for minor problems. The unit must be returned in its original packing. This does not affect your statutory rights under UK law.

You can order with a card from the order forms, or by phone, or you can print an order form and fax your order to us or by post with a cheque. We do NOT charge your card until your goods are ready for dispatch (usually on the same or following day). You can spread the cost over 3months without interest charges (phone for details).

It might also be a good idea to phone them and see if they have any seconds for sale, you know, ones with the odd irrelevant scratch which could therefore be cheaper. It is a struggle, but when a light box turns ones life around it is impossible to imagine living without it. I have between 20-25 wasted winters under my belt, so to guide just one person towards a SAD-free life and have success would be a huge thrill, it could be you!

All the very best if you choose that route, whatever hang on in there and keep posting notes! Julie

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Posted by Anonymous, 22:46 4 March 2003

Hello, Your symptoms seem just like the ones I was having with my sad. I say was, because I feel much better this year. I was on a different anti-depressant (Sertraline Hydrachloride) and using a light box but still sleeping too much. I came off the anti-depressant and my contraceptive injection in May and have begun to lose many symptoms of SAD. I feel strongly that the contraceptive injection was really making me worse. Are you on any hormones like that? Also I agree with 'Bright One' in that it really helps me if I get up and go to bed at a regular time whether I'm working or on holiday. If I sleep in, then I am sluggish and nauseus all day. I find now that I wake up naturally in the morning just before the alarm goes off and this really helps. It's really hard to get up though isn't it. I used to feel I would rather chop my leg off than get up. I hope you find some way of managing soon
Melissa
Sallie
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Posted by Sallie, 13:23 5 March 2003

Hello again everyone! ThanQ once again for your advice & support. Will definitely take Julie's advice and ring up 4 seconds, and Melissa's advice was really quite scary! Yes, i take the contraceptive pill, have been doing for the past 5 - 6 years, around the time i first started to notice symptoms. Could this be the little devil that's been causing me hell for the past 5 winters? Worth finding out i think. Never really occurred to me that a tiny little thing like that might be the cause (or contributor) to this godforsaken illness!

Must admit though, once I'd been diagnosed by the psychiatrist i did play on it - late homework, missin lessons etc. Well who wouldn't?! I was only 16! How good is it at that age to be able to turn round to a teacher you really hate and tell them, quite legitimately, that you couldn't do your homework/come to the last lesson because you were asleep?!!!! Not that many of them actually beleived there was anything wrong with me (apart from idle-itis), but what could they say? No we don't believe you despite numerous letters from various health professionals?

Don't play on it any more though, trying to get my head down and get myself a degree. Had to do an extra year at college coz i'd missed so much work. Am really trying now, but still can't help falling asleep. Fightin a losing battle in lectures.

Going to storm round to the doctor's tomorrow & tell him that my silly sleeping habits are ENTIRELY A SYMPTOM OF SAD and the current facilities in this area are JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH! Then I'm going to ask him politely if i can please try another brand of contraceptive pill.

Speak to you all again soon, bye 4 now xx
Bright One
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Posted by Bright One, 13:34 5 March 2003

www.sadbox.info

This is the place I got my lightbox(es) from.

They were wonderful with me- you can rent, then buy (they take the rent off the price), buy second hand (I did this, often reduces the price by a fair old lump).

Amy

Anonymous
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Posted by Anonymous, 22:51 25 May 2003

Sallie, have U had tests for narcolepsy?

http://www-med.stanford.edu/school/Psychiatry/narcolepsy/index.html

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