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Anonymous
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Posted by Anonymous, 22:51 16 February 2004

Does anyone else here have this? It is when my sleep is later everyday (about 24.7 hour days) and I end up going "around the clock". I can stick to a 24 hour day in summer, presumabably because there is more light. A lightbox has helped though it isn't perfect. I also tried melatonin, which helped a bit but I found it unpleasant.
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Posted by joeybear, 00:50 17 February 2004

yeah I find my body clock is weird in the winter... I sometimes go to sleep about 10 and wake up about 7, sometimes i go to sleep at 2am and wake up at 9am, and other times its like, 5am til 9am and i hardly sleep...

During the summer I generally sleep about 8 hours a day... during the winter I either sleep too much, or sometimes just 2 hours a day....


weird.
Pete
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Posted by Pete, 09:57 17 February 2004

Hey tinted, have you spoke to your GP about this? Cause if you think you have an irregular body clock he can send you to a sleep clinic, they monitor you whilst your a sleep and can calculate your body clock cycle.

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Posted by Anonymous, 19:14 17 February 2004

Yes, my GP referred me to a psychiatrist. For a long time it was dismissed , but eventually I got to take part in a sleep study. My activity levels were monitored with a wrist actigraph, which confirmed my activity/ sleep cycle was not 24 hours. Also melatonin levels were measured as a marker for where my body clock was at, and these were also free-running (but in tune with my sleep). THis was repeated in the summer, and then both my sleep and melatonin rhythms were normal, albeit a bit delayed.
I am told it is rare but wonder if it is more common than thought, because most GPs and psychiatrists ddon't consider it as a possibility.

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Posted by Anonymous, 19:19 17 February 2004

Joeybear

I also sleep longer and better in summer than in winter. Do you have SAD? I thought people with SAD slept more in winter, but I don't know much about it.

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Posted by Pete, 23:31 17 February 2004

Tinted I find what your saying interesting, who could think millions of years of evolution and during that time all life should have registered the cycle of a day in its system which should be exactly 24 hours and heres you with abit more then 24 hours, maybe you wern't always like this and its a condition that accured during the abuse your body clock has had from living in a dark cold country from not giving it light as a stimulus to know when to wake up, this is just my theory I'm no doctor and I'm proabably wrong...

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Posted by Anonymous, 06:05 18 February 2004

I thought most humans had a body clock that is longer than 24 hours, but is brought into line by daily adjustments such as light. So mine is not unusual, it's just that I'm not very responsive to light at the levels we get in the UK in winter. The length I gave for myself of 24.7 hours is a bit longer than the normal given figure, but I do receive some light which could affect it. Other species have endogenous clocks that are shorter or longer than 24 hours, and also make daily adjustments.

Evolutionarily it does make sense, because the rotation of the earth around the sun is not exactly 24 hours, it can vary about 15minutes either side of this (depending where you are I think). If all creatures had constant 24 hours clocks they would get out of synch with the solar day, so the best thing is to have a clock that is roughly right but can be adjusted easily to meet the current daylength.

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Posted by siddy, 07:51 18 February 2004

Hello,

I have felt a lot better since I have stuck to rising at 7.00 with the aid of a dawn simulator (not sure if it will last!) is this something that might help??

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Posted by Anonymous, 09:18 18 February 2004

Hi

Yes I have a dawn simulator and it does help. No effect alone, but if I use it as well as the lightbox I get a better result than the lightbox alone. It's funny that the increasing light is usually enough to wake me up before the sound alarm goes off. I also like the way the light gently dims as I fall asleep.

tinted
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Posted by Pete, 09:42 18 February 2004

yeah your right tinted, most bodyclocks cycles are about 24 hours and 11 minites or something like that. So I suppose your right in what you say........
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Posted by Julie in Sussex, 09:46 18 February 2004

Hi Tinted

Yes, Dawn Simulator and a Satellite lightbox are my fixes. But just as importantly I find keeping a steady routine of getting up at a regular time and going to bed at an equally regular time force my bodyclock into conforming. So any minor fluctuations my internal clock is having are overridden on a daily basis, therefore they cannot accumulate and cause a problem. Napping is lethal and I avoid it at all costs.

Life is a challenge is it not! All good things Tinted. Julie

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