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Autumn
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Posted by Autumn, 15:15 30 June 2008

Does anyone else suffer from Summer SAD or am I the only one?
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Posted by James, 14:49 27 July 2008

Hi Autumn.

Can you tell me/us a bit more?

I feel I am in the same situation but it may just be a carry over from the initial SAD in winter.

For example - In my case - I worked hard this time last year to get on track to start college by taking relative medication and also playing that Nintendo DS game. Y'know, the Brain Training one?

This was all the while not knowing I had SAD and not knowing that I probably would need to use a light box as the winter crept upon us.

Needless to say I went on a downward spiral and left college after around 3 months. (I wont get into the details)

But the carry over from that has lasted around six months and could account for still "suffering" from SAD in even these summer months.

Can you relate to this at all? Has anything happened or still lingering in your life that you find hard to deal with that could be dragging you down?

On a more technical note - From a personal point of view - My first thoughts would be that it wouldn't be possible for SAD to be triggered in the summer.

Although on thinking about it a little deeper, if you are in a state where a week of overcast weather would upset you, to the point of saying you suffer from symptoms of SAD and that your life in suffering, then you are truly sensitive to the changes in weather. So this could be a type of SAD although on a short time scale.

I would say I am like this. This is why I would highly recommend using the light box even in the summer.

Although, I'm not using right now! I'm always here and there and can't be bothered carrying it around with me.
But when I did use the light box a while ago it felt great and I will be using it nearer winter, for sure.
zizillia
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Posted by zizillia, 12:00 5 August 2008

I don't necessarily suffer from Summer SAD but when the weather takes a turn for the worse and its grey I can definitely start getting SAD symptoms. For instance today it is grey and my office is quite dark and i feel rubbish!!
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Posted by puddleshy, 12:23 17 August 2008

I feel rubbish when the sun isn't shining, even in the summer and well, where the heck is summer I'd like to know - I'm feeling really short changed......!
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Posted by Eilidh, 15:41 17 August 2008

Good to know I am not "going crazy" having SAD in the summer, but it has been a shit summer here in Scotland. I have my light on now and feel so much better :)

Eilidh
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Posted by toomucheffort, 12:13 20 August 2008

Hi everyone. I was here last year in the pits of my worst SAD ever, and find myself reading the latest entries in the hope that others have plummetted this week like I have. I have been fantastic for the past few weeks - clear-minded, interested in people, chatty, bursting with energy, actually picking up the phone and arranging a social life. But this week I have crashed, and already the slug is creeping over my head.Am i alone??
By the way, I have just read my post from last year and want to thank everyone who offered their words of comfort - I didn't know they were there until today and am very touched. Got my light box on again, and going to start on the ST John's wort for good measure. Cheers...
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Posted by Jen, 21:28 21 August 2008

I have been the exact same this week - all the rain & greyness has got to me & I've been eating carbs like they're going out of fashion. Only clicked tonight it might be my SAD, hence me being here to see if anyone else feels the same. Glad to see I'm not alone, although not glad to hear people are feeling the same, if you get what I mean??
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Posted by Koala, 10:39 22 August 2008

Hi there! Thank God I am not alone! My boyfriend calls me the 'koala' and close friends know that if I have the curtains closed I am having what they call 'some time in'. I hate the way I makes me feel and after being on anti depressants for roughly 4 years, I still know that weather very much dictates my mood. Exercise helps but, I just dont want to leave the house!
This summer has been a real bind and have been to see my GP and she has suggested that we both go away and try to find some solutions. I did use day light light bulbs one year and I think that they helped a little to stretch my evenings out. I have heard that I might be low on vitamin B or D?
If anyone has any ideas, I would be very greatful.
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Posted by sadgirl, 20:38 25 August 2008

Glad to hear that others feel the same as I do. I had my summer holiday in May and felt great but then came back to the cold and cloudy UK and the SAD returned. Have had a few good days but am gaining weight 'cos I'm craving sweets and carbs - light box comes out tomorrow!
Judy
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Posted by Judy, 14:10 27 August 2008

I read a very interesting article by Jan De Vries about Summer Blues, it is in his 'In Touch' Magazine issue 19 dated Summer 2006 which you can get by contacting their mail order dept at Jan De Vries Healthcare, soutwood road Troon, ayrshire scotland.

The article discusses how some people can suffer agitation and depression in summer, feeling miserable, the cause seems to be linked to overheating and advises cold showers, wearing dark sunglasses and staying out of direct sunlight and heat as much as possible. There are also natural remedies that can help. This article helped me as I had been suffering from this without realising it for many years and never looked forward to summer but actually preferred winter when I felt more comfortable. For me just knowing that I was not the only one who felt like this helped immensely.

Typical sad symptoms include
Oversleeping, disturbed sleep, early morning wakening
Fatigue
Cravings for sweet things
feeling miserable, guilty, loss of self esteem, hopelessness and despair, apathy, loss of feelings
irritability, social withdrawal
tension, not coping with stress
extremes of mood
Stuart
Stuart
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Posted by Stuart, 14:12 26 March 2009

Hello there, I am a 40 year old guy living in London, UK. I didn't even realize till today that 'SUMMER SAD' as an official term even existed. It starting to get very Spring like here and the thought of the clocks changing soon, actually makes my stomach feel sick. I have over the years slowly but surely taken more of a dislike to the Summer months. As a kid I did always want to sit in the shade on holidays, and remember often being covered in Calamine lotion pretty much head to toe of many occasions with ‘prickly heat’ so wither that was the start of it all I have no idea. Even now, it’s 2 p.m. in the afternoon and the sun is shining bright. I am sitting inside with the curtains shut as I don’t want to see it, and the thought of going out in it later, which I have to do, will make me a bit panicked.
I love the Autumn, Winter months, love the early dark and long nights, and when the rain comes on I almost feel obliged to go out in it. I love a grey day in London and it does make me genuinely more cheerful and active.
Woo!…. Did I just write that, sorry guys! When I started to write here I had no Idea what I was really going to say, but I guess I’ve said what I must have wanted too.
When I wake up in the morning and see the sun is shining, my heart does genuinely sink, words like HATE the Summer, seen harsh, but I think I do. And knowing that it’s not only me now is something I’m going to get a lot more information on.
Sorry again for the rant, but thanks for listening, Speak soon, Stuart

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Posted by Angharad, 23:43 5 April 2009

I completely understand what Stuart and Judy are going through! So glad I'm not the only one. Most people think I'm a killjoy, but when the clocks changed last week, I though "Oh no, here we go again - months of feeling sweaty and uncomfortable and the days dragging." In Summer I put on weight as the heat makes me less inclined to be active - which worsens matters as I am an exercise professional and love activity. I get tired easliy and irritable and can't see an end to the season. In summer our house has the windows shut to prevent more heat entering, curtains shut and the air conditioning unit on permanently. I have to carry damp towels everywhere to keep cool. Doctors seem baffled and cannot offer any help - assuming they believe me as they accept Winter SAD but no its summer counterpart. I cannot wait for cold frosty days again!

Angharad
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Posted by Lillie, 11:08 7 April 2009

Last Sunday when the clocks changed, so did I! Spring is when I start thinking about moving as far north as possible. Throughout Spring and Summer my eye involuntarily ticks and I become obsessed with the weather forecast - hoping for an overcast rainy day. I spend my life trying to like summer especially as I don't want my misery or condition to rub off on my young children, but I just can't. I don't think 'hate' is too strong a word - in fact I don't think it is strong enough. Lillie
workate
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Posted by workate, 10:19 3 June 2009

Hi Everyone, I'm really fascinated to hear you talk about Summer SAD. I'm a journalist researching the subject and would love to talk to anyone who is effected by it. Please email me if you are interested in taking part. My address is kate_corr@tiscali.co.uk
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Posted by Peter L, 16:27 3 June 2009

I am glad i am not the only one. I had been on anti depressants for about 6 years but have come off them because my doctor thinks i should come off them.
While i was on my pills i could tolerate Summer more but i am finding this year difficult. It doesn't help that in the UK where i am we have seen well above tempertures for this time of year and they predict a heatwave this year.
I am going to a Music Festival for the day in July. I know i am a fool to myself but i love music and in the past i have been ok because of my medication.
The friend i am going with loves Summer and keeps on going on about how he wishes it to be warm and he moans about Winter.
I don't know how to tell him i disagree. I have shared my loathing of Summer with people recently at work and they think i am just being miserable and think i am crazy wishing it to rain.
My symptoms start in Spring. I just hate all the daylight and the noise. I can't wait for Autumn to arrive.
Nellie
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Posted by Nellie, 20:46 16 July 2009

This might sound a bit out there.....but could it be possible that we are genetically predisposed to certain types of weather depending on our geographic ancestry?
Just a thought, I'm no scientist though :)
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Posted by bigbruv, 22:30 2 August 2009

Monty Don, the BBC gardener and a sufferer of pretty severe SAD, said in one of his books that the two hardest times of the year for him were just before the shortest day and just after the longest day. I have heard several SAD people like me say they find July a really hard month...they feel they should be 'great' because it's still summer, but the tide has turned, the days are getting shorter, and somehow they sense it deeply and it triggers the SAD.
terry
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Posted by terry, 17:09 4 August 2009

i felt great all winter and spring because i was using my sad light which is 12000 lux.Anyways the weather hasn,t been too good here in southern ontario.I felt like i was coming around when we had 4 days of sunshine,then we had 4 cloudy days and was right back in a funk. i am glad i found this sight knowing i am not the only one suffering from this crap! Anyways i think there is some good weather heading this way,hopefully i will feelbetter.Sometimes i think that i will never get better,but that is stupid way to think,since it never happens because i always get better.Good luck to all!
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Posted by Stuart, 18:07 26 March 2012

That really awful time of the year is here again..... clocks changed meaning longer sunnier nights. It really does upset me, and I am already looking forward the the Autumn. Let the count down begin.
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Posted by Stuart, 18:13 26 March 2012

Just noticed my last message was posted on this very date 3 years ago. Must be something about the 26th of March that brings out the worst in me.
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Posted by Neens, 20:28 8 April 2012

Hey Stuart

This discussion has really interested me. I'm planning to do a post on my blog http://sadlightblog.info about Summer SAD and when I saw your post, I had to read the thread. When I say Summer SAD, I'd normally mean that sufferers of SAD and Winter Blues can sometimes feel their symptoms returning after a run of dull days in summer. But reading your, and others' posts about dreading summer has made me want to do a bit more research into this. I have to admit that I didn't know that people suffer from the effects of summer so much. I'm sorry to hear this. Hope that you have in the past found some ways of coping?
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Posted by Stuart, 23:21 8 April 2012

Hi Neens,

Must admit I had never heard of Summer Sad either, so was really happy when I stumbled upon this thread 3 years ago. It was nice to find that I was not the only one that has a poor relationship with the Summer months.

I have found many ways to cope with the Summer, but it still affects you mentally and that is a part of it that is much harder to deal with.

We have recently had some very hot and sunny days in the UK that lasted for almost two weeks. All I could think about was WHERE ARE THE APRIL SHOWERS. All you hear when you go out... if you have too.... is how LOVELY the weather is and what a BEAUTIFUL day it is.... this too also adds to the misery of how the sun can make me feel.

It is easier to cope with when you are not around others, as even when you are inside you can pull the curtains shut to block out the sunshine without appearing strange to friends or family.

Even the slightest bit of rain or overcast weather can lift my mood. I will feel an urgency to go out in it, enjoying the grey skies and shiny roads and pavements.

I look forward very much to reading your blog as I, and am sure many others, welcome anyone that takes an interest in the lesser known Summer SAD.

If I can be of any help, please feel free to ask.

All the best, Stuart
Neens
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Posted by Neens, 18:32 9 April 2012

Hey Stuart

I can imagine it must be really hard; at least Winter SAD has become more recognised in recent years and many people can identify with feeling a bit low in dull weather and short days - like you say, many (myself included, sorry!) would be gleefully dancing around in the sunshine telling everyone how glorious it is!

Thanks for sharing your experience; it's really opened my eyes! I'm sure other people will find it very interesting to hear about the condition too. If it's ok with you, I'll probably refer people back to this thread from the blog post, when I write it. As I don't suffer with Summer SAD of this kind myself, I think it would be helpful to quote you and let people see for themselves how it affects sufferers. Would this be ok?

I'm glad you've found ways of managing the symptoms. I know what you mean, when you say it still affects you mentally, despite coping. I manage my Winter SAD pretty successfully - I don't think many people who don't know me well would realise there was any difference between summer and winter - but sometimes I catch myself thinking that I'd really rather not feel like I'm battling to manage symptoms; it seems so unfair! Is this how you feel?
Stuart
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Posted by Stuart, 20:28 14 April 2012

Hello again Neens, Sorry for not replying sooner.

I love the fact that you would be out dancing if the sun came out. I try so hard not to be negative about my dislike for the summer months when I am around people that enjoy it... which to be fair is everyone I know :)

I never want to be the odd one out that is moaning about the sun shine.... long summer evenings and scorching heat. So instead I just try to avoid getting into a situation where I might do that.

It was only when I found this thread and started to write about it, that I realized I had so much inside me to talk about.

Please feel free to quote anything I write that you may find useful to your project. I know I have nothing to be ashamed of, by feeling the way I do, so if saying what I say gives someone else something to think about, then that can only be a good thing.

If you were interested, I have written a bit about different aspects of how I feel about Summer Sad for my own personal reasons, and will send it to you via private message. I keep meaning to post it here too... but have never gotten round to it... but I will, one Sunny Day, when I have nothing better to do than stay inside :)
Neens
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Posted by Neens, 20:45 3 May 2012

Hi Stuart

Sorry for the late reply - did you try to send me the piece you wrote? I didn't get it if so - I was going to reply to you there! :) Can you try and send it again?

To be honest, I've been struggling to write posts. I thought it was going to be great, that once the lighter nights came, I would be able to get lots of posts ready for autumn and winter. But I've been feeling a bit 'bleurgh'; been fighting off a cold or something I think! I'm feeling better now, so have no more excuses! ;) I definitely need to crack on with my post about summer SAD and would love your help Stuart!

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