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When it hits like a bullet, and i need to be happy this year....

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MikeyD
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Posted by MikeyD, 19:52 20 October 2008

hey everybody,

my first post on here, its taken me 4 hours of getting this far. over the last couple of days everything has just got worse, im at work, and i cant even concentrate on what im meant to be doing, sucks very much.

my partner keeps saying to use my light box, which i am, but i cant get the frequency i need, cause of work and feeling so damn tired all the time. any suggestions?

also back to the title of this, i need to be happy this year because me and my partner are expecting the birth of our first child this december, which is not long now. and this all to familliar feeling of being dead inside is hitting me like a bullet. i really do not know what to do. everything i am trying is not working like it used to do. i have even contemplated going to the doctors again, but i am dreading him putting me back on tablets.
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Posted by Me, 21:33 20 October 2008

Sounds like a doctor visit is just what you need flower. You need the doctors support, either to talk to or medication, or both!

I find that SAD kicks in first, then the depression afterwards. Sounds like you have got to that stage chuck! But dont despair, you life is great its just that you brain wont let you enjoy it at the moment.

ORDINARY EVERYDAY HEALTHY THINGS WHICH WILL HELP AND THAT SAD WANTS YOU TO IGNORE
Its easier said than done, but.. You have got to try to get out and do some exercise everyday. It is a brilliant thing - honestly. You do have happy hormones inside you, you have just got to release them, and if you are like me - I just want to sit, unsocialise, wallow, cry and sleep when Im bad - then you must realise that you can start the ball rolling..

Push yourself (it might be hard but you can) to get out and do some exercise, for about half hour to an hour almost every day (Ienjoy it in the mornings it helps me get ready for the rest of the day - come tea time, it becomes more difficult.) Just so that you can feel breathless but can still gossip at the same time! lol. No need to overdo it.

There is no harm in making sure you have the normal vitamins and minerals (I find a good vit and min tonic is brilliant from the chemist) needed for everyday life and Im finding omega 3 and 6 quite helpful too. Other people use St johns Wort, and I have 5htp for that period (but this doesnt suit everybody!)

Bet you are eating alot of sugar/carbs (that includes alcohol)at the moment. However tempting they are (and I know the strength of that pull!) try to cut down and get some decent healthy food down ya. You will feel absolutely shattered at first, but it should get easier. You see sugar gives you a brilliant lift that takes you out of the tired zone temporarily then it drops you right back there AND YOU NEED MORE!

"I want you to know that most of us feel exactly as you do at some point during the winter - YOU ARE MOST DEFINATELY NOT ALONE". Even I find it hard to follow my own advice sometimes - did I really admit to that!!!!!!x

I know the feeling with the light box, but your partner obviously thinks it works as she is asking you to use it. Once you get into a depression it seems harder to treat with light (my personal opinion). Maybe you could exercise in front of the light box - a double whammy if you like and time saver

Finally, do not hesitate to get to the docs. You both have a fantastic and tiring time ahead of you. Be prepared and ready and you will be able to enjoy both christmas and your new bundle of fun.

Work at it chuck, you can - honestly -listen to your spirit and move forward.

If you are like me, I suspect that you are thinking of a number of excuses why you shouldnt do things - try to think of the reasons why you should do things to help you - a new baby perhaps!x

Stay with it chuck, we are all with you.

The above comes from my heart and should not be taken as critisicm - it is support flower. I am not a medical expert just a SAD person who feels the pain that you feel as I have been there numerous times and the above is what helps me.

Keep writing to us all.

Me x
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Posted by Amalthea, 01:36 21 October 2008

You might want to consider trying to find a talk-therapist who can help you out. Gosh, you've got to be dealing with a lot of stress with becoming a father! SAD probably just tops that off and makes you feel pushed to the limit.

I'm seeing a cognitive-behavioral talk therapist and I think things are headed in the right direction. I know I've got someone to talk to if I start feeling really down... and even to try to "head-off" these feelings.

You may need to talk to your doctor, too. With starting a family, you've really got to take care of yourself so that you can be there for the wife and the little one. It's a lot of pressure. Please don't try to deal with things alone.

BTW, do you do any computer work? I have my lamp at the computer. Can you use it while you eat?

Actually, the computer isn't the BEST idea because the TV and computer are SUPPOSED to interfere somewhat with the light but it won't completely rule out its effects -- you've got to think of where you spend the most time and then try to plan accordingly. Try to think of it as a normal light... where are you that you might be able to work it into your routine without having to work your routine around it?
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Posted by Mrs Stan, 08:38 21 October 2008

Hi Mikey,
First of all, congratulations on your imminent arrival! You must be thrilled.
I can only really echo everything that's already been said, i.e. you need someone to talk to and the GP is the best place to start. Important as well, given your current circumstances, to find someone neutral to the domestic situation who can be objective with the emotions you're feeling. Good friends are invaluable at a time like this.
Re. the lightbox, I spend most of my working day sat by a PC, so I have it right here, by my side for about 3 hours per day at the moment, but I can increase it if I need to.
Also, the exercise is really important - I have a treadmill at home, but even a walk in the fresh air will do you the world of good, especially if you wrap up warm, now the weather's turning colder.
Remember, you don't HAVE to go on tablets if you don't want to, there are plenty of other options. Howvere, don't rule them out altogether - anything's worse than the alternative, right?
Good luck, and do let us know how everything goes - I'm a Sagittarius baby too - fab sign!
Mrs Stan
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MikeyD
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Posted by MikeyD, 20:10 21 October 2008

hi guys,
getting a doctors appointment booked at some point this week, hopefully i get a friendly one. bit scared of GPs they dont seem to actually listen to much to what you tell them......

anyway, the exercise thing for me is very difficult, im just to tired all the time i feel. unfortunately i cant take my box into work to use that much, im a project worker in a young peoples hostel so a big shiny light eminating from the office would start to raise questions that i quite simply couldnt be bothered to answer...

as for the eating thing, i have managed quie succesfully to stay away from the sugar and carbs by extremely limiting my diet to three pieces of toast aday and maybe a sandwich, and thats it. nothing more. apart from tea, got to love tea. i know its the daftest thing to do not eating.

had a bit of a better day, apart from the really argumentative snappy side.

Me:"I'm allowed to be snappy, its winter!"

Girlfriend:"I'm allowed to be snappy to! I'm bloody pregnant!"

did bring a smile to my face i must admit. all swings and roundabouts though at the moment, appreciate the comments from you guys, has cheered me up to know that people dont think im being daft!


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Posted by Amalthea, 22:29 21 October 2008

SAD is a tough thing to wrap your mind around. I've had it since I was a pre-teen. Sometimes it seems to just pile on top of the stress you already are dealing with. I try to do what I call "self-care." Besides using my light and trying to get a little exercise (like you, I don't succeed at that much)... I take some time to do some things *I* want to do. If I know I'm feeling down, instead of letting myself sink further, I put on some music I like or I call up a friend to talk. I try to do my best not to dwell, especially because when I'm feeling low, I tend not to see things from a normal perspective and I can really over-react.

Had trouble with my checkbook a few days ago. So... I walked away from it and tried again the next day. It wasn't anything urgent, just annoying. I wasn't going to overdraw. The next day, I got it figured out and I have a plan now for what to do if I get confused again. If I made myself push through it, I'd probably have been in tears.

Sometimes it helps to be aware of how you're feeling, and ask yourself if you're helping or hurting yourself by doing what you're pushing on to do and sometimes just step away or disengage for awhile.
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Posted by Me, 20:15 25 October 2008

MikeyD
Bless you flower,
You mentioned "anyway, the exercise thing for me is very difficult, im just to tired all the time i feel. unfortunately i cant take my box into work to use that much..." = So you are just me!!! This is SAD talking not you flower!!!!!!!!!! dONT LET IT DRAG YOU DOWN ANY FURTHER - FIGHT IT

Get out there, no excuses now - you can do it, you should do it - it WILL make you feel better. The times when you really do not want to do it, are exactly the times when you will feel the benefits more!!!! HONESTLY...

Did you realise that white bread is high in carbs (the stuff you may crave with SAD!). Try slow release stuff, like bananas, nuts, seeds, granola, granary type bread etc. A GI diet/or similar may help you find some recipes to help you and your girlfriend. The simpler the meal the better for all of you.

A steam train would not chug very far without constant coal and plenty of fluids. We are much the same flower. If we get the wrong type of foods/not enough fluids we run out of steam too!! Just a thought.x

I have had three kids whilst I was bad with SAD, but strangely this was the time when SAD was at its best - strange that!! I had to start my maternity leave early because I was soooooo tired and kept falling asleep at the desk!! So, I reckon it was at its best because I was at home and able to sleep when ever I needed to even though I was up a few times in the night!.

I suppose what I am saying is that I know exactly how you and your girlfriend are feeling at the moment and you both need support.

Good news about the doctor appointment. Stick with it x

SAD will not let you get your head together, you have to fight it as best you can and exercise.

The other thing you may be interested in..... I was intolerant to wheat and everytime I had a sandwich, cake etc, if I sat down then I fell asleep. I stopped eating wheat (which lowered my carb intake -because I couldnt eat cakes and the like) and lost a stone in about two weeks, I also stayed awake and therefore had more time to exercise. I felt hugely better. So food intolerance could be another factor! That is another area you could look into!

I just wish I could wave a magic wand chuck and you would be hugely better. But its you that must do this, You do have happy hormones inside! Find them through diet, exercise and doctor support.

And keep writing to us all here, we know exactly how you ae feeling right now and later in the summer you may be giving others (and me if Ive gone off the rails!) suggestions when we am feeling exactly the same as you.

Again, this message is strongish as I just wish you every success from my heart. YOU CAN DO IT....YOU HAVE JUST GOT TO MAKE THE FIRST MOVE AND THEN STICK WITH IT! Please accept it with my best intentions - as gosh I do know how you are feeling (this time last year I was the same!) so there is a way out.

lOVE AND LIGHT CHUCK

Me x



MikeyD
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Posted by MikeyD, 18:37 28 October 2008

hi guys,

my partner made me an appointment at the doctors.

and as per usual, i was having a good day. I did however get a nice doctor which is rather unusual, had rather a good chat and we decided to try and get me back into a regular sleep pattern as i have been getting about 2 or 3hours sleep a night. i am by no means a heavy sleeper, but it has been getting worse. anyway the doctor prescribed 7 days temazepam. which seem to be doing the trick. i have been on them for about 5 days now. still having the occasional unmotivated day, but i have told work so they dont think im lazy, and also emailed a local rugby club. cheers for all your messages. i shall still be on throughout the winter, cause no doubt this good feeling wont last forever
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Posted by Amalthea, 22:45 28 October 2008

Mikey,
Hey, it's good to hear that things are working out for you. Sleep is SO important. When you don't sleep right, you tend to be more moody. It takes a lot more effort just to DO things, and that can be frustrating. Your thoughts and emotions get all jumbled up if you don't sleep right and you could even start having memory problems or problems finding the right words and putting words together.
No wonder you had no energy to exercise. I hope they'll keep working with you to help you get your sleep on-track. You might want to keep a notebook of how you're feeling now so that you can use it to remind yourself of how you feel when you're getting help. Like, rate your energy level and how happy/sad you feel on a scale of 1-10. That kind of energy is helpful to doctors, too, because they don't live in your skin/know how you feel. It gives them something to compare against.

I say this because I have fibromyalgia and that's how I know about all the troubles that sleep problems can cause. I'm here because I also have Seasonal Affective Disorder. I'm getting help, though, and so I don't feel like I'm out on a limb on my own like I was last year at about this time.

Can you ask to see a certain doctor? If you liked this one, maybe you can see him again. I'm in the United States so I don't know how your system works. Really, it makes sense to stick with the same doctor so that he/she gets to know your medical history/keeps a good chart on you.

You will have some ups and downs, and when you need to, come back here and chat. We're glad to have you but sorry for the circumstances that bring us all here.

BTW, Me is right: SAD changes your thoughts sometimes. I've learned that when I seem to get upset really easily at times, I'm not acting like myself. I tell myself, "That's SAD talking. I wouldn't think this sort of thing." Just knowing what it is helps out some and makes me want to do something for myself to make me feel right again.

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Posted by Me, 00:16 31 October 2008

Mikey

Sounds like you have hit a turning point. WELL DONE. Stick with it flower.

You may feel a couple of paces forwards ONE DAY, then a couple of paces backwards another day - this is soooo very normal! Remember that your doctor is there to help you and we are here for friendship too.

Make sure that the email to the local Rugby club gets answered because that sounds absolutely perfect. Why not just turn up?

You have so much to look forward to, stick with it.

You are starting to take control of SAD and sound brighter already -

Im really chuffed for you all.

Me x
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Posted by curlyperkins, 20:04 31 October 2008

Hi I'm new to this forum but would like to add that positive thinking as "Me" suggests really does help. I know it's difficult to be positive when you don't want to get out of bed, but I am trying to "embrace" winter a bit more this year after reading "Winter Blues", which I could really identify with.I was diagnosed 12 years ago and use a lightbox and dawn simulator. I usually go downhill mid September but it was earlier this year, - feel better in the New Year as I know we are on the downward slope, and I start a countdown from 1st Jan
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Posted by Amalthea, 00:46 1 November 2008

As the weather starts to turn, I get desperate enough to try "thinking warm thoughts." I go outside and imagine the sun is shining and I put on some upbeat music.

I find a lot of my dislike of winter is associated with an aversion to the cold. The SAD lights have gotten me through winter but usually I drag my way through.

This year, I'm getting treatment for fibromyalgia for the first time, which is also taking a major load off my SAD. (I say that a lot, because it's hard for me to believe how well I'm managing for now!) So, I'm finally getting sufficient sleep.

Anyhow, the fibromyalgia, arthritis and Raynald's make cold weather awful for me to tolerate. So, I wrap myself up in the warmest clothes and blankets I can find and use the SAD lamps an awful lot.
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Posted by Donna, 05:46 1 November 2008

Hi Mikey,
Hang in there Mikey because it WILL get better. But, first of all, what kind of work do you do so I can determine what would be best for you?

Yes, you do need to be happy this year and every year and you will be. You just need to work at it a little bit harder. You have so much to look forward to. Anyway, please write me back because I would really like to help you if I can. Thanks and have a great weekend - get out in the sun this weekend - it will do you a world of good and have FUN, FUN, FUN!!!!
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Posted by Mrs Stan, 12:22 3 November 2008

Hi Mikey,
Glad that you're getting things sorted out.
I notice that several people have mentioned 'positive thinking'. My GP prescribed a course of online Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT) for me. I had to visit the surgery once a week for 8 weeks and complete an online course. You get printed out notes (which I have kept for future reference) and heaps of advice on how to recognise unhealthy thinking patterns and adjust them to more healthy thoughts. I was staggered at the difference.
I felt truly enlightened.
It's worth seeing if your GP can offer something similar, but there are a load of books out there which offer similar things. Do give a try - I'd recommend it to anyone.
Good luck,
Mrs Stan

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