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Mystifyme
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Posted by Mystifyme, 04:57 19 July 2009

hallo,I have winterdepression even in summer months too.So that in summer months like now I still need medicines and light therapy and only both together help me.only light therapy or medicines alone does not help me>but both help and this strange for me to understand!!.Are people out there like me? I am quite desperate and miserable with this problem.I also seem to have low magnesium and vitamine D3 levels in blood.The lack of energy is terrible with me>always sleeping and carving carbohydrates
please help!!
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Posted by daisythefirst, 06:41 23 July 2009

Mystifyme, it's good to hear from someone else like me. I need medication and light therapy all year round too. Lack of energy is a biggie with me - I try to get out for a walk most days but some days I just have absolutely no energy to do so. It's so hard because it's only someone who has been there who understands. I live in Northern Ireland and the weather is so poor it really gets me down. Went to Majorca on holiday for two weeks earlier in the year and it really helped - trying to see if we can afford a cheap week there at the end of September.
Maggie
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Posted by Maggie, 22:55 30 July 2009

Don't get me wrong, but I'm so glad that there are so many of you out there feeling as low and awful as I do! I was wondering today if there is a cumulative link. As this is our 3rd summer in a row that has been virtually sunless are we all more likely to succumb to the awful fatigue? What do you think? Is there any scientific reason for this theory? Judging by the rash of posts, it's just starting to hit hard.I'm new to the forum, although not to SAD and it is comforting to know that one is not some sort of a freak!!
Maggie.
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Posted by HymntotheSun, 16:58 4 August 2009

I'm suffering from exactly the same thing and I'm severely hacked off with it. I'm getting the same feeling of abject despair that I suffer from each winter. I live in Bristol, and we haven't had a week of warm sunny weather in over three years. At the moment it's just grey, overcast and rainy every single day with a temperatutre of 17-18 degrees. It's not summer and it's not liveable in. I like the quote from the 12th Century Arab al-Idrisi, who described England as 'a land of perpetual winter'. On the plus side I'm going to sell my flat this Autumn, bank the equity, do a TEFL, and move somewhere warm and sunny. It's the only choice if I want to stay alive and have a happy life.
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Posted by Maggie, 18:29 4 August 2009

I've got my SAD lamp a Brightspark light box, just like the picture by 'Featured Product'. I started with it yesterday, and it currently lives just beside my computer momitor.Is there any danger of overdosing as it were? Already, and this is after just 24hrs. I hate turning it off! Somebody, perhaps not on this forum, asked for any ideas on nutritional supplements.3/4 yrs ago, before I realised what was really the matter with me, I was feeling the usual desperate fatigue and carbo cravings.Raspberry jam sandwiches and twix bars are my favourites! I was recommended to take MAXIMOL by a natural therapist and I really didn't expect it to work. But exactly a fortnight later, I realised that come 5.0pm I was not totally exhausted and fit for nothing except a meal and bed. I have remembered that I am feeling now just like i felt then, so have ordered some. Maximol is an old fashioned tonic really, tho' totally up to date with all its constituents. It has a vast list of micro-nutrients and trace elements. As I eat badly when I feel like this, and tend to eat quick, easy and unsuitable things, like raspberry jam sandwiches, and cannot be bothered with proper food, it follows that I am probably by now well short of all sorts of things I really need to keep me functioning at a reasonable level.I've just noticed the 'blatantly promoting products' above under POST A REPLY, but I don't sell the stuff,it has worked on more than one occasion for me and I thought it might be useful to pass on. It is obtainable on the internet.I am also trying a product that helps guard against free radicals from the same company, but it hasn't arrived yet, so can't comment. But it does seem to make sense that if one's physiology is already out of kilter by lack of sunlight, by making up dietary deficiencies and improving one's chemical balance you are addressing the cause and not just the symptoms. I am on antidepressants, but cancelled my GP appt.for an increase, to see if light, maximol and the anti free radicals might achieve the same effect. Watch this space!
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Posted by becky21, 18:43 10 August 2009

I think its the fact that we haven't had an actual summer in years, so people like us that suffer from SAD have to suffer all year long instead of just the autumn/winter months. It really is getting me down, as I know it must be a lot of you. Right now I'd just settle for a week not feeling run down and depressed, but with September looming and still not yet having any summer to call anything it doesn't seem likely.
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Posted by daisythefirst, 18:56 10 August 2009

Oh becky19 I so hear you. I am really struggling to cope.
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Posted by becky21, 19:30 10 August 2009

if I could afford it I'd go on holiday somewhere warm but really have no money spare this year lol
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Posted by daisythefirst, 20:11 10 August 2009

Can't really afford it either, but we are seriously considering a late holiday if we can get one cheap enough. Think I need it just to survive.
Maggie
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Posted by Maggie, 22:18 10 August 2009

I sooooooooooooo hear you both as well. Despite potions and pills and the light, I have had a really grim w/e.I never remember feeling so totally exhausted all the time.I have less get up and go than a sloth on sleeping pills. It's so unlike me. I've had SAD in the winter for a good few years and realise now that I have been affected during the last 2/3 summers as well. It's easy to put it down to all the other things going on in one's life! But I've made an appt. to see my very sympathetic GP . He might have some suggestions.Something's got to give, or I'll have to go off sick. I have a hol. in 3 weeks, but Scotland not Spain!And I really don't think I'm going to last out.But it does help to know that you are not the only one who just cannot physically manage without sun. No wonder they worshipped the sun in the old days!
Maggie.
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Posted by daisythefirst, 03:36 17 August 2009

I went to my GP last week. I was soooo tired and it took a lot of effort, but I wrote down how I was feeling and gave it to him to read. (my get-up-and-go has definitely got up and gone!!!) He was shocked and I sat and cried. He's taken me off Effexor - so now I'm having withdrawal headaches and pains in my stomach (could be much worse). I've to come off them over a few weeks, then start Sertraline. He's done a lot of blood tests (again), so waiting the results of those. He said if we possibly could get away to go on holiday - so I've booked a week in Majorca at the end of September. I really can hardly believe it's only half way through August with this awful weather - seems like it should be much later in the year.
paulst
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Posted by paulst, 11:19 17 August 2009

I know what you mean about this rubbish weather, ive decided to stay on medication all year round, really hope you start to feel better soon.


Paul.
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Posted by daisythefirst, 11:28 17 August 2009

Paul, it's good to hear from you again. Year round medication seems to be the way forward doesn't it? I'm not sleeping until about 5 am coming off these anti-depressants. Don't sleep well at the best of times anyway but the nights are long. Got to stick with this though. Thanks for your good wishes. Hope you're feeling well.
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Posted by paulst, 22:04 17 August 2009

Im feeling ok thanks, my tablets help me to sleep, not sure how I would manage without them. The weather in Majorca should be nice and warm in September,im sure you will enjoy it, we have just come back from Menorca and really felt the benefit of the sunshine.

take care

Paul.

chocolatecake
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Posted by chocolatecake, 13:12 22 August 2009

Hello,
I also suffer from SAD and it's braking my marriage. I have no energy to do anything, I just go along and do things my husband wants to do. He's so full of life and energy and wants me to be just as enthusiastic but I cannot. How can I be enthusiastic about going to the beach when it's raining?! I don't know what to do but I know my husband won't last much longer.
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Posted by Cabbaged, 09:21 23 August 2009

For some years now, my routine has been to spend almost all of my free time outside work indoors, usually at my computer desk. Effectively, my work was my way of meeting the outside world and if I was lucky with the good old British weather, it was my way of getting some sunshine light therapy. For me, the constant battle against tiredness is the one SAD symptom I hate, head and shoulders above the others (poor stress management; anxiety; depression; anti-social; major carbohydrate cravings... probably in that order).

Having been made redundant, along with all the other project staff at the end of June (company liquidation), winter has been extended somewhat this year (all the SAD symptoms are coming on in leaps and bounds, within a seven week period)...

Why? Silly me is so routined into spending my "home time" in front of the computer, I am finding it incredibly difficult to break the routine and go for daily ~4 mile bike rides, despite loving it when I am on my flourescent orange hub-geared steed! In a typical week since July, I have "done well" if I venture outdoors three times a week.

How does my body thank me for this indoor routine?
I worry and stress about my fortnightly visits to the Job Centre, as despite being assigned to a Disabled Employment Advisor, this person is so unsuitable for their role (was not allowed to describe all my SAD symptoms; was not asked about work history; pushed towards indoor and unsocialable hours vacancies).
The stress and worry has a knock-on effect on my sleep pattern: Having to stay up until I'm completely exhausted so that I can get to sleep; waking randomly in the middle of the night (often means back on pc until shattered again); feeling "cabbaged" when the dawn simulator alarm goes off; fighting the urge to go back to bad for most of the day (and no energy or motivation to go and visit the outdoor world).

So, where are things heading? Well, the Brightspark has been on duty most days for the last month. There have been times when I have been tempted to plug in the Pharos Max, but I have resisted having a furniture juggle, so far.
I start a bi-weekly course in a month's time, ran by a local charity, who try to help people learn to cope with issues like depression and then find a suitable, enjoyable job.
I have an extended appointment with my GP this coming week, to ask them about: Help for the stress/anxiety > worse sleep then normal (on no meds for some years now); getting qualified medical diagnosis of SAD; the possibility of claiming Incapacity Benefit for at least the coming "winter" months (while I look for a job that I know I am capable of)

Sorry about the novel repsonse! If nothing else, its helped me vent some of my frustrations since the end of June.
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Posted by sadman, 08:53 25 August 2009

I live in SW London, I think the summer has been pretty good with the exception of a period after Wimbledon in July. It hasn't rained much either, so I am feeling good. Or perhaps I am just used to holidays in Ireland as a kid. Plus off to Orlando early november - hope I don't experience hurricanes!
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Posted by Cat Women, 10:48 28 August 2009

I am finding this year very hard. I have stayed on medication all year. Glad I'm not alone. One day at a time that is all I can do to survive.
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 20:07 30 August 2009

I felt relatively well from early Feb after I visited my DD in Mexico. I stopped taking my winter med earlier this year, but I think I'm going to end up taking it sooner this autumn.

I've been feeling rather fed up for some weeks now, but had ascribed this to having tennis elbow, which has scuppered my usual summer school holidays frenzie of activity. But when the tears came during our holiday of a wet week in Dorset at the beginning of August I was sooooo fed up. I realised we had had no sun for quite a few days. I started to wonder if it was depression striking.

10 days ago I realised I just wasn't 'coping' with day to day things in the way that it happens in the winter.

I'm determined to hold out for another couple of weeks before I start taking the medication, but not looking forward to it.

The arm is still bad and just sooooo frustration that I can't carry on life as normal. Trying to rest it, but I think I will end up getting cortisione injections.
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Posted by paulst, 12:24 31 August 2009

Hi PurpleIvy, im sorry things are not so good for you at the moment, im back to work on Thursday. Summer holidays are great but im not looking forward to school again. im ok ish but have taken my medication all year round.

Take care

Paul.
Maggie
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Posted by Maggie, 10:04 1 September 2009

Reply to Purple Ivy. Why wait another 2 weeks before going back on the pills?If you were say anaemic, would you wait 2 weeks before taking iron tablets. I doubt it, so what is the difference? Just because it's in the mind we think we should be able to cope/ put up with it. But I feel that SAD has a chemical/physiological basis, which we can no more control voluntarily than the effects of anaemia. So give yourself a break and start taking the tablets!
Maggie.
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Posted by daisythefirst, 12:54 1 September 2009

PurpleIvy, I've got to agree with Maggie. I wouldn't wait to go on the tablets. I'd get on them now, give yourself a start for the winter ahead. When you've depression everything else seems so hard to cope with as well. I so hear you - been having a really bad time too. It's good to know there are others here who understand, even if we can't do anything physically to help. Hang in there.
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Posted by ziggy, 10:57 4 September 2009

PurpleIvy, I was also trying to hold out until at least October, but I am off to the Doctors in a few days for my Prozac. I was also going to talk to him about staying on it all year round as I have not felt 'back to my normal self' the last couple of summers like I usually do - bit worried about what the effects may be of staying on Prozac long term though.
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Posted by PJ, 20:13 6 September 2009

Hi there so glad I've loged on to this site again, it's like a light going ping, pardon the pun. I've had a Brightspark for 2 years now but was wondering what was up these last 3 weeks, with no energy on the chocolate bars and feeling down...I know it's the nights drawing in tonight it was 7.45 when I ahd to put the lights on! Can't complain too much on the weather as here in sunny dry Norfolk we have had it ok end July to now. so will be under the stairs tonight to ge the light out and buy one for my new son in law!
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Posted by Donna, 04:39 15 September 2009

Hi, I self diagnosed with SAD early last year and yes I had to do the medication and light therapy all year long last year but now this year, something has happened to me which is not good and so far I cannot get a hold on it but hopefully will soon.
PurpleIvy
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 17:20 21 September 2009

I don't want to take the tablets until 'winter' because I get a lot of side effects. In any case, the weather comes and goes and there was always the hope of a decent September. It's really not been too bad here for the last couple of weeks.

At the risk of being shouted down here, if it's year round, isn't it 'just' depression? Even if you lived even further north than I do, you would get summer.
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Posted by Donna, 06:53 29 September 2009

No, in some cases including mine, it is not just depression if you get it all year round. I have been having a very bad year as of April but now I think I finally figured out what it is, at least for me. When I started taking the melatonin this past April, something happened and I have felt so very bad since then even though I have been off it for months now. Well, I recently started taking it again but I am only taking 1.5 mg twice a week (as you have to be careful with this) and it has done something to my body clock which I believe actually started to change when I initially took the melatonin this past April but at that time I did not realize what was going on until now. I always use to be a night person and really I still am as this is still new for me, but I believe that this melatonin has changed my body clock to where if I do not get up early in the morning and do my light, I am going to pay for it. This past weekend, I had to get up early to go into work (I usually do not go in until noon) and since I got up early and did my light early in the morning, I had felt almost 100% better - whereas, again this morning I got up late, did my light and started to feel a little bad again and I am pretty sure this is only because I did not get up early and do my light early this morning. This is totally different than last year. Last year, I could sleep in and then do my light and everything was fine until I took the melatonin this past April. I didn't know what was going on but I think I have finally figured it out. Anyway, it looks like I am going to have to change my lifestyle or else I am going to pay for it. This is just another new aspect of SAD for me that I have just encountered. Anyway, "Purple Ivy" in some instances, yes, I believe it can be depression if it is all year round but this does not have to be the "rule of thumb" evidently. I think you have to do it on a case by case basis, try different things like I did and see what you come with.

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