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Snowflake
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Posted by Snowflake, 00:03 7 November 2009

Sometimes it's comforting to know others are experiencing the same trials you are. How has S.A.D affectd your life? What are your symptoms?

These are things I only struggle with in the winter...so, I know it's not a part of me...it's just the way the season affects me...sometimes it's hard to separate that.

hyper-critical of myself
pressure in chest and throat
feeling worthless
feeling overwhelmed
feeling not good enough
feeling like people don't "get me"
feeling like an outcast
feel like giving up on projects and endeavors
fatigue
general pain (when SAD is severe)

How about you? How does the winter affect you?
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Posted by Donna, 21:24 7 November 2009

I do experience many of your symptoms but also emotional pain (so bad) and panic attacks that can last a few hours. Also fatigue and Insomnia.

Personally I started taking Citalopram last winter (for 6 months a year)which gave me my best christmas for many years.

Hope this helps

Donna x
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 13:41 8 November 2009

I too take Citalopram for 5/6 months of the year, starting mid/late September as a precautionary measure, as I know that I'll need it a while after that. So far so good this year.

Mentally I deal with things much better in that I know that I'm not useless generally, just not dealing with whatever at that particular time.

Sleep patterns are erratic, but whereas in the summer I cope with about 6 1/2 hours, in the winter 10 hours is frequently not enough.

I try to live a very controlled existence in the winter, just do as much as I feel I can, avoid large social gatherings (I don't 'do' Christmas parties other than going to a friend's house or family, as so often I have paid for stuff and then not been fit to go). I find if I avoid upset and things go right I'm able to cope.
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Posted by Trinny, 03:14 11 November 2009

I know SAD has got me at last (about a week ago).
I just cry all the time. (And I don’t have more negative thoughts than during summer.)
Any sad or good news in TV, newspapers, I cry.
Impossible!
No other symptoms yet!
SAD lamp therapy and antidepressants have never helped me. I need different lights and warm temperature.
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Posted by Koko, 12:37 11 November 2009

My symptoms sound a lot like yours, Donna. Especially the emotional pain and the fatigue. I also have horrid social withdrawal. Even from my family, who I adore. Does anyone else feel that?
Snowflake
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Posted by Snowflake, 13:35 11 November 2009

very much
KS
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Posted by KS, 22:55 11 November 2009

I was diagnosed with SAD in 2000. I believe I have lived with it every winter since 1988, but I have treated it successfully with light therapy, exercise, and a carefully balanced diet in the last three years. I currently have close support from my family. Without them (e.g if I was living alone, in isolation) I would probably take the medication the GP prescribed, but currently choose not to.

I suspect that SAD has very much influenced the way I see myself, e.g because I suffered social withdrawal in winter, I assumed it was just part of my character. As I've grown older this has improved; I assumed I 'grew out of it'. But it's more likely that managing the syndrome is what has changed me.

Now that I have far greater awareness I can see a pattern to my life and how it has panned out. I have a lot of catching up to do. Though I feel I've been a victim of SAD, awareness has empowered me to take control at last and now I feel I have the chance to do things to their full potential.

So I recommend sharing information, experiences and opinions. Be clear about how you feel. I find that GPs recognise SAD but don't necessarily know how bad it can get as only a tiny percentage of the population experience it as an extremely debilitating depressive disorder.
Samia
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Posted by Samia, 21:08 12 November 2009

Dear All
I have been noticing the behavirioul changes in my mood and starded as geting socially withdrawn. But this year I was in bed for 3 months loke a cabage. In August I went to Syria for holiday and noticed surprising change I was active like a young Horse, Came back to England I am deteriating rapidly. Since today I was not aware of SAD. My Doctors advised me to search on this. After reading every body's comments I feel I have come to the conclusion that I do suffer from SAD. Please feel free to share your comments and advice. I am desprate to deal with it. I FEEL I HAVE LOST THE PART OF MY BRAIN, MY FEET AND LEGS AND HAED GETS SO COLD AND I FEEL LIKE A WALKING DEATH. PLEASE HELP.... sghous11@hotmail.co.uk
freedom
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Posted by freedom, 16:37 14 November 2009

symptoms include;
feeling claustraphobic
depression
major anxiety
feel tired all the time
panic attacks
and little/low worth

all good fun eh? lol
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Posted by Bagpuss, 08:47 18 November 2009

My symptoms:
Hard to wake up in the morning
Feeling tired
Craving unhealthy food
Feeling anxious and worried
Low confidence and self esteem
Feeling lonely but finding it hard to be around people
Feeling down (or sad), sometimes weepy
Everything feels like an effort, I just want to hide away, sleep and eat!
It really does help to know that other people experience similar feelings, it took me years to understand what was going on. I'm almost certain I have SAD, as these feelings occur every autumn, but I don't have a diagnosis.
darren
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Posted by darren, 12:44 1 October 2011

I am sure I have been getting the symptoms of SAD for at least the last 5 years. Some of the things I feel in the winter months are as follows;
Hard to wake up in the morning
Very slow to get going mentally
Low concentration levels
Low confidence
Some anxiety / mini panic attacks
Generally feeling down
Things I would normally do can feel like an effort
My mind just feels like it can't seem to settle
I also seem to avoid talking with friends or social gatherings sometimes.

I have a light box and a body clock and when I use them it does seem to make a difference.

I have never been to the doctors about this yet, but I have an appointment for next week. I don't know if it will help, but think it is a good idea.

I seem to find the autumn time hardest, and when we get a lot of grey days.

Anyway as with Snowflake I think reading how other people feel is very helpful.




PurpleIvy
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 13:39 1 October 2011

Darren, at times there has been a nice little community of SADdies on here and being very supportive. Occasionally there's someone a bit argumentative, but on the whole I've found it a great help over the years.

Sat in the sunshine outside for a little while this morning, was good. I do feel my mood is starting to slip. Have had some rubbish going on with work this week and just didn't cope as well as I would in the summer months.
darren
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Posted by darren, 16:47 5 October 2011

I am just waiting in the doctors so I can have a chat with him. I booked it about 10 days ago when i was feeling low. However the last week of the really sunny weather we had was a blessing, it totally picked me back up and I feel 100% my normal self again now. I have also been using my body clock which I am sure is helping, and have my desk lamp all ready.
I am making sure I get myself up in the mornings and walking my girls to school to get some light.
Isn't it amazing how a few days of sunshine can make such a difference!
Koko
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Posted by Koko, 12:33 6 October 2011

And, I'm crying. Again. Why do I always forget how awful this is until it hits? It always seems to come on so suddenly, like someone just flipped a switch. Anyone else feeling down this morning?
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 16:11 6 October 2011

Just generally finding things harder than they were last week/week before. Just less able to cope with stuff. I' m always amazed at how suddenly it hits, in spite of the good weather we've had. Started medication at the weekend, so that does tend to make me tired.
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Posted by Linda, 17:03 6 October 2011

I can't sleep, so have been given sleeping tablets for a wee while, but I know it's not a long-term answer. Koko, it hits me like that too - I had a crying session in church the other day (how embarrassing is that!) And I'm starting to withdraw and not "do" people. It's my birthday today, so everyone is trying to keep me happy.
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Posted by rach, 20:34 6 October 2011

5HTP has worked wonders for me. I have started taking already this year and although i can already tell that i'm getting a few symptoms, it definitely takes the worst of it away
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Posted by Koko, 23:13 6 October 2011

Thanks for answering,ladies. As always it feels so much better to not be the only one experiencing these feelings. Linda, we definitely have a lot in common as to how we are affected by SAD. My withdrawal is starting too and that's part of the reason I'm so weepy. I hate drawing away from my friends and family. I try to make it less upsetting by calling myself a turtle and by saying I need turtle time, but it still sucks. I totally get how Bagpuss explained it earlier, I'm lonely, but yet don't want to be around people. That's exactly what it feels like.

One day at a time, one foot in front of the other. And lots of chocolate.
Take care, all. oxox
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Posted by frankie0694, 22:15 10 October 2011

Hi all,
This might be a silly question, but how did those of you actually pick up the courage and go to see the doctor? I'm 17, and think I may suffer from SAD but I just can't bring myself to go to see the doctor as I think they will just say I'm being silly and need to get over it .. I just don't know how to go about talking to a professional about this? :/
PurpleIvy
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 17:00 13 October 2011

A professional shouldn't tell you you're silly and to get over it, even if that's what they're thinking. Outline your symptoms to the doc.

You do need to see your doc if this is how you feel, as the symptoms are those of many other illnesses and you need a correct diagnosis. I think I was tested for a few things like thyroid function and can't remember what else, to rule out other illnesses.

Can you take your mum or a good friend with you? It might help to have some moral support.
darren
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Posted by darren, 18:27 14 October 2011

I agree, you should go. That said I know how you feel, it's taken me a long time to visit my doctor, but I have now been and have to do a blood test next week to make sure it's not a thyroid problem or diabetes. My doctor did take me seriously. As purpleivy says, try taking someone close along with you for support.
Good luck!
PurpleIvy
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 15:19 15 October 2011

How are you doing boys and girls? I had a really bad patch earlier in the week, but I think the glorious weather today has lifted my spirits a little.
Linda
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Posted by Linda, 15:40 15 October 2011

That's good, PurpleIvy. Even in the Hebrides, the sun is shining for once and it makes such a difference! The sleeping tablets are working well, so I'm coping quite well for now. I suppose the next hurdle is the clocks going back. That always makes for a shaky time.
darren
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Posted by darren, 23:35 15 October 2011

I struggled yesterday, and then had a really bad night, just could not sleep. I never have a problem going to sleep, so lying there awake with my brain racing is not something i can handle very well. Felt like i was going mad. I remember feeling like that a few times over the last couple of years, and i am pretty sure its normally around this time of the year. I think its the changing of the season that i really struggle with. I always think that i am losing it, but it normally calms down again after a few days.
I went to the chemist today and bought some St Johns Wort, so will see how that works. Have a blood test this week at the doctors.
It should be another sunny day tomorrow so enjoy.
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Posted by Sleepybird, 22:07 17 October 2011

Symptoms for me:

1. Super social withdrawl
2. Over sensitive and take criticism badly
3. Eyes feel 'gritty' all the time
4. Aching limbs/limbs feel heavy
5. Feel tired even when having 8 hours sleep a night
6. Cannot organise myself when the rest of the year I am super organised
7. Just want to hibernate

There are probably loads more but those are the main ones...

Just wish other people would try and understand sometimes that I dont want to be like this and I am trying to do something about it each year.

x
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Posted by mick1975, 17:02 23 October 2011

i am glad i have found this web site, i suffer badly with the winter blues,being an alcoholic for two many years has not helped in my case but been off it nearly 5 years so looking positive. do this 5htp stuff work? im looking to buy a light box will i benefit from it? these are the things that i am thinking.my life has improved a lot since giving up the booze but still need something to fill the gap in the winter,i cannot do outings of parties because of anxiety any help would be very helpfull. being on edge, violent thoughts,doom and gloom seems to fill my every day,i take beta blockers for anxiety but not sure they are the best i can take without going down the anti depressants.
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Posted by mick1975, 18:42 23 October 2011

i have started a facebook page called Seasonal affective disorder have a look and hook up easy place to chat.
darren
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Posted by darren, 22:50 23 October 2011

Hi Mick, well done on staying sober for 5 years. A lot of people find that a light box really helps. I also use a body clock, its a lamp that you set to come on in the mornings and fade out in the night when you go to bed. You can find it in the product section on this website.
I have just started taking St Johns Wart and this has made the biggest difference for me so far.
Have you tried it?

PurpleIvy
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 00:00 24 October 2011

Hi Mick1975, I think I would find Facebook a bit too public!
mick1975
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Posted by mick1975, 05:56 24 October 2011

Thanks darren I think I will order a light box today and see how I get on.
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Posted by jaydee67, 08:46 25 October 2011

How does it affect me?

Low mood
Anxiety
Tired all the time but sleep is disturbed
Social withdrawal
Loose bowels
Feels like wading through treacle just to get the day done
Worry
Start things and don't finish them - which makes things worse!

I've was on holiday for a week in Greece which was great! Came back last week and SAD hit me like a hammer. It always takes me a few days to realise that's what it is - this year I thought it was after travelling back overnight and having my daughter's birthday the day we got back and stuff that had to be done. Took me until Saturday to bang head on forehead and think SAD. Got a doc's appointment tomorrow to see about upping my meds and the light box is going again.
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Posted by Nina, 16:03 26 October 2011

I've found that I can't take holidays abroad in September / October time coz coming back to the UK when the days are short and grey means the SAD hits me like a train and I just stop functioning completely, my depressive symptoms are really bad if I do this too. I save my holidays for January when the end of the winter is in sight. general symptoms:
social withdrawal
lack of patience and irritability
fuzzy tired head, bad concentration
taking ages to wake up and start brain in the morning.
sleeping long hours 10-14 hours per day as winter progresses.
digestion slows down - usually because am living on toast, pasta & chips instead of fruit & veg.
Low mood
Headaches & indigestion.
The lightbox and the meds help but I'm still a different person in June than I am in November, it's very frustrating.
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Posted by debbie, 08:26 30 October 2011

dear all, my symptoms of sad, are,
tiredness in a morning,
fed up,
cant get going,
i wake at 8am day starts at 11am,
panic attacks,
depression,
christmas is a no go,
this year im armed with antidepressants beta blockers cbt and
newly purchased lamp, ive booked a week away for my birthday in early january, eventhough its local uk, its
something different to take my mind of
the dark miserable days/nights.
i am so glad if found this forum in feb this year, its lovley to share this awful ailment with others. debbie.
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Posted by mick1975, 19:10 31 October 2011

hi debbie,i also started the beta blockers, but not antidepressants, i am trying the veg feel good factor, what i mean is i have started making home made veg soup twice a week and have started on vitamin d tablets,id just about try anything to have a normal crimbo but what will be will be.........someday maybe....please let me know how you get on with the light as that is something im looking at getting but want to find a little more about them first...........
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Posted by Linda, 17:44 2 November 2011

Hi Debbie,
Hope you get on well with your lamp. Mine was pretty much life-changing - it made the difference between being signed off work for 2 months during the winter, and being able to keep going right through (although hanging on by my fingertips sometimes!) I really wouldn't survive without it.

I'm still not sleeping, though, so the biggest problem just now is absolute exhaustion.


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Posted by florana, 16:29 5 November 2011

Hi, Linda, Sorry to hear you're not sleeping. Have you tried any sleep aids? I hear a herbal one called Kalms (available at most pharmacies, Amazon etc.) is popular, which has Valerian, Hops and a few other things in it. But there are many other things.

A lack of serotonin can sometimes lead to sleeplessness and antidepressants seem to help people with SAD, so herbal (e.g. Tryptophan or 5-HTP) or prescription antidepressants could help too. There also seems to be a connection between serotonin and Vitamin D as it helps serotonin synthesize and Vitamin D is often lacking in winter. the NHS has a cheap test going at the moment for Vitamin D levels at http://www.vitamindtest.org.uk/

There's also the option of boosting GABA levels (a neurotransmitter like serotonin but one that downregulates and relaxes the nervous system which some find helps them sleep easier) via upping Magnesium or other things. Hope you get relief soon.
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Posted by Linda, 16:57 6 November 2011

Hi Florana, and thanks for your reply. I have tried some sleep aids: first a course of prescribed sleeping tablets; now an over-the-counter one when I get desperate (fairly often, unfortunately). But I think I should look into herbal remedies a bit more as there must be many I haven't tried. At present I am reading Paul McKenna's book "I Can Make You Sleep" and hoping that that might give me some ideas - he mentions tryptophan too. And thank you for the link re the Vitamin D test.

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