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Scarlett
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Posted by Scarlett, 10:48 6 December 2010

Hi, I'm new here. I wonder if anyone can advise me? I was put on SSRIs 3 years ago stopped in August. I don't really know why my doc kept me on them so long, but possibly I need permanent meds, who knows. Anyway, I have now hit rock bottom and I actually wonder if I have just been suffering really bad SAD and could try taking them in the winter only. Does anyone do this? If so, how do you manage the hard part of going on and off them as I usually get major anxiety overspill? Thanks.
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Posted by Bagpuss, 09:52 10 December 2010

Hi Scarlett, I take SSRI's only in winter for SAD. I am only on a low dose, but I broke the tablets into quarters and took a bit each day and gradually increased the dose over a couple of weeks. This made the horrible side effects bearable. I did the same in reverse when coming off them. It made it easier and the side effects were milder.
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Posted by Scarlett, 19:26 11 December 2010

thanks Bagpuss. I might have to try this. I crashed so badly last week and now after just a few days of citalopram, I feel better. i am pleasantly surprised to feel so much better so quickly!
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 20:09 11 December 2010

I too only take Citalopram in the winter. A week and I start improving. I gradually increase the dose until January, then start to decrease as the weather improves and there is more light.
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Posted by Donna, 20:54 11 December 2010

Like Purple, I too take Citalopram only in the winter. I couldn't go on without it now. I still get the odd bad day but it does appear to prevent the panic attacks I get each winter due to SAD.
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Posted by paulst, 22:25 11 December 2010

I take my medication all year round but with a lower dose in the Summer.
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Posted by Scarlett, 22:37 11 December 2010

So Donna, you get panic attacks too? I can cope with feeling low but anxiety is the killer - I had few really bad anxiety attacks when December hit and that's why I went back to Citalopram. I'm disappointed because I found them hard to come off, but I am hoping that a 5-10 dosage will be easier to manage. December is my worst month; I do tend to feel better in January. I have been trying to go outside as much as possible but now have a killer cough, which is a shame. I do have a SAD light but felt it wasn't doing much in the early part of Dec - but don't worry, I am still using it.
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Posted by florana, 23:53 11 December 2010

Did you start using the lightbox daily from end of August/start of September?

Good luck with the new dosing regime. Glad you're feeling better already and find relief with it.

If you haven't tried them already there's a few alternatives too such as 5-HTP, tryptophan, l-theanine, l-tyrosine, taurine, rhodiola rosea, vitamins (e.g. Vitamin D, Magnesium) etc. They don't work for all of course though, it kind of depends what the body needs help with, as the SSRIs and Alternatives work in different ways. I wouldn't reccomend bothering messing with alternatives this year though considering how far in we are and as they may not work well with an SSRI (especially ones that boost serotonin). But just thought I'd throw it out there incase you were unaware of them.

Take care.
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Posted by Scarlett, 13:46 12 December 2010

hi florana
yes, I tried all those things but actually I thought 5HTP made me worse and the others were non helpful. I guess the SSRI solution is better for me, but here's something else I was wondering - as these SSRIs take a while to work, and I have started to feel much better within a few days, I wonder if I sort of hit rock bottom and then recalibrated myself or something!

I am just puzzled because they are not meant to work this fast and does that maybe mean I jumped the gun, reacted too quickly and am okay after all and don't need to take them? But coming up to the shortest day, I feel I shouldn't risk any experiements really.

I really thought using the lightbox from the end of August would help, so disappointed to be back on meds. I get out loads and love to exercise but nothing has prevented me falling down the hole, what a pity.
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Posted by florana, 18:29 14 December 2010

Hi, sorry to hear 5-HTP was a bad experience, some find Tryptophan easier to digest than 5-HTP or vice versa. But also I should say they work to boost serotonin levels whilst SSRIs work to regulate and support the pickup of serotonin. Therefore sometimes SSRIs work better for some instead since we all need different things.

The "takes a few weeks" I think is more of a reccomendation so that people don't give up too soon on an SSRI. Some find they need a settling in period (due to initial side effects or just to get the cogs working again). But I wouldn't be surprised if others will respond much faster. Plus you've been on an SSRI before right? So perhaps the medicine isn't so much of a foreign substance.

You're best off asking your doctor though if you're unsure or worried. They will have experience of responce times to SSRIs and be able to tell you professionally if some respond much quicker than others. Definitely don't just stop the SSRI suddenly or reduce dosage without consulting the doctor first of course.

At the end of the day, it's great you're feeling so much better!
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Posted by dahash, 19:00 15 December 2010

5-HTP made me MUCH worse as well. L-Tryptophan on the other hand was a wonderful experience and it kicked in 10 minutes. So I still use it from time to time. I don't think it's good to combine it with SSRI's though (serotonin syndrome and stuff).
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Posted by florana, 21:10 15 December 2010

Glad the tryptophan was helpful.

Yeah I always try to remember to point out that too. Because they boost the levels of serotonin and SSRIs boost the uptake of serotonin. Mixing them means you'll have a whole load of serotonin to uptake = way too much serotonin. Also its usually not a good idea to mix 2 together e.g. 5-HTP & Tryptophan. As raising serotonin too high isn't a good idea.
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Posted by brightlights, 21:56 16 January 2011

Hey there,

I've recently been prescribed Zoloft (sertraline). I've suffered from SAD pretty bad over past 4-5 years and this year it's got really bad even with daily light exposure (between 5 to 8 hours per day), high doses of Omega 3-6-9 and Vitamin D, and regular exercise.

I've always been a little apprehensive to go down the anti-depressant route, however, I feel like I've got no other choice now. But after reading on these forums along with the literature that comes with the medication, it seems like the experience of going on, and coming off the medication can get pretty intense. I'm worried that I'll have to go through this every year when my SAD kicks in during the winter months.

I'd just like to see how other people have found the experience of repeatedly going on, and coming off anti-depressents on an annual basis, and in particular Zoloft (sertraline) which I've been prescribed. I realise everyone is different, but it be good to get a better understanding before I commit to taking them.

I'm also thinking maybe I should try some alternatives like 5-HTP, which I've seen mentioned quite a few times now in various articles and forums, before resorting to anti-depressants.

Your thoughts and experiences would be greatly appreciated!
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Posted by Scarlett, 01:16 19 January 2011

hi there
I was on citalopram for a while before coming off, and then having to go back on due to SAD.

My experience of going on it - both times - has been that I feel better pretty quickly apart from one or two days where there's a slight overspill of anxiety. The main thing for me was the second time, I fully understood what would happen so was ready for it. I would say there was a marked improvement within 2 weeks even though they don't work fully for a while.

in terms of coming off - only really done it once, but had some stomach issues and some insomnia about 5 weeks after the drug had left my system, but this may be a red herring as I get bouts of insomnia.

I am now facing the same thing - Nov/Dec are my worst months so I could really look at coming off in March and I don't like the idea of having to go back to the doc every winter. So I have already booked the first 2 weeks of Dec for a sunny break this year, and I will probably go away somewhere for a week at the start of Nov. I am hoping this will help but to be honest, if it doesn't, I will have to go back to taking tablets.

I still feel that something about this winter has been exceptionally awful, so I do wonder if I will muddle through next time.

I personally found 5HTP awful but some people love it, and you could try SJW too.

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