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Liza
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Posted by Liza, 10:33 29 December 2011

Hi
My name is Liza. I am 40 years of age and have suffered SADS for apx 17 years.
I would like to speak with other people who feel there would be some benefit of a Support Group/Chat Room/Blog. Somewhere that hopefully we could build a group, become friends and have somewhere we know we could turn to for advise with the hope that someone will be around to chat with, or to listen.
I do thoroughly enjoy the Lumie Forum but feel that the traffic here is a litle too delayed. For example a member on here posted how they were experiencing an extremely bad Christmas, and has received no response as yet :(
Please PM me, leave a comment, let me have your views. I have no real idea where to start or with what, but I do know that we all feel the same way and sometimes just need to vent !!
Let me know your thoughts .....
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Posted by petite, 17:52 2 January 2012

HI
I to have had thought about a support/discussion group but am finding it exceedingly diffuclt to establish whether there is one in my area. Not sure how to go about starting one - maybe library might help but then wondered how I would cope if responsible for convening/running one during times of feeling bad when it would be most needed.
If anybody out there has any ideas please share them with us


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Posted by Liza, 14:38 3 January 2012

Sadly Petite this is exactly what I mean about the web-site.
56 views and only 1 reply :(
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 11:22 4 January 2012

It's a difficult one, support groups. There did used to be more of a 'community' on here a few winters ago, it's quieter these days.

Bear in mind that it takes a lot less energy to view a post than it does to construct a reply. Or even think whether you have anything to say. At this time of year us SADdies just can't be bothered! You may be needing specialist help, rather than from Joe Public.

One thing I would say, is that messages that are shorter are easier to read. Messages that are divided into paragraphs, so less text-dense, written in shorter sentences, those not written in capitals, those not written in text speak are all easier to read and I am more likely to read them. Other people may hold a different view of course.

As to a support group in your area? I couldn't cope with extra going out in the winter, find it hard enough to participate in anything extra.

I realise that not everyone will feel the same though.

I might be interested, but not sure how this would differ to this forum.

Liza
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Posted by Liza, 14:03 4 January 2012

Purple Ivy

Thank you for your reply.

I do not understand your comment about needing 'specialist help'. Us SADdies (using your phrase) all feel the same way and those of us that have SADS know that there really is very little you can do other than to look after ourselves with thte use of light etc and avoid situations that make us feel worse. I dont think 'specialist help' is needed for any one of us.

My original post with regards to starting a support group is for those you mention, those that cannot be bothered to do anything, those that simply cannot cope and need advice and/or a little support in knowing how others cope, perhaps this would help them to be able to cope better?

I know from my own experience, a SADdie for many years that I am not in a position to not be bothered. I work full-time in a pretty demanding position, two teenage children, a dog, a new partner etc. I have no choice but to get up and go to work, to support my children through whatever is going on in their lives at any particular time, to walk the dog each and every day, this is as well as the housework, meals etc.

I know that I do a very good job of this, even when the anxiety ball in my stomach just will not go away, when I feel the need to cry for no reason, when I just feel in despair.

I feel that to have some support, to know how each others weeks, speicla occasions have gone etc would surely help.

We need, as a group/team to give a little to one another. If there are comments on here it will be due to another SADdie taking the time to post that comment to help others, surely a reply to someone who may be worse off than yourself at that time isnt too much to ask?

I have my fingers in a few pies, and will definitely get back to yourself and also Petite :)

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Posted by lillylou, 10:17 9 January 2012

I would love a support group sometimes it helps to be around or talk to people that actually understand which is why i come on here. I have had the worst time with sad over the last few weeks and would have loved someone to talk to.
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Posted by Lou, 17:38 9 January 2012

I haven't been on here before but I have suffered with SAD now for as long as I can remember. Fell apart at work this morning and had to come home. Just got back from seeing the doctor who told me the same thing every doctor always says and asked me if I would go for counseling which hasn't worked in the past and will i go on a stress management course. I try to explain that in the spring and summer i am ok. One doctor says I suffer with SAD and the other talks as if SAD doesn't exist. I asked them about light therapy and they said they do not know if it works. I tried it years ago but didn't have time to sit in front of it but I am willing to try it again. I think it would be very helpful to hear from other people who are experiencing the same things.
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Posted by Paul, 20:03 9 January 2012

As an old (really old) SAD person I can sympathise with all on this forum. Before I was given my SAD light - a present from "she who must be obeyed" I was going to bed at 7.pm and not getting up 'till 7.30am. I use the light in the evenings whilst being on-line (do not have time to sit for an hour in the morning!!) and have found I am able to stay awake longer and do not feel totally washed out on waking up.
I have a full time job which is fairly physical and need my beauty sleep.

Can only say the light appears to work for me - on now as I write - and I know my family are feeling the benefit too!!!!!!!!

Roll on the Summer!!
Lou
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Posted by Lou, 08:12 10 January 2012

I have just bought the Arabica which should arrive before one tomorrow. Really hoping it will help.
Liza
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Posted by Liza, 14:51 13 January 2012

How is the new light Lou ?
It makes me so angry when incompetent Drs think they can just make such flippant comments about how SADS does not exist !!!!!!!!!!
GGGRRR
Lou
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Posted by Lou, 10:32 14 January 2012

Thankyou for asking how the light is working. I think it is having a positive effect. I went back to work in Friday, got up at 6.30 and sat infront of it for half an hour. I think it took the edge off. It's beautiful outside today. It's frosty and bright. Makes such a huge difference. I'm trying to take everything a day at a time. How are you?
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Posted by Lou, 11:30 14 January 2012

Thankyou for asking how the light is working. I think it is having a positive effect. I went back to work in Friday, got up at 6.30 and sat infront of it for half an hour. I think it took the edge off. It's beautiful outside today. It's frosty and bright. Makes such a huge difference. I'm trying to take everything a day at a time. How are you?
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Posted by Geordie Girl, 10:01 16 January 2012

At my workplace we have ALL been issued with LUMIE style desk lights and they are also very effective. Even the people who have never experienced any type of SAD find they brighten up the office on gloomy days, having said that it is bright clear and frosty up North today and certainly has a positive effect on my feelings and general well being. I have been on and off with SAD for nearly thirty years now and certainly find my bodyclock alarm and lightbox at home to be invaluable. Have a very good GP who is totally in tune with all latest thinking on SAD and depression
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Posted by Neens, 19:54 21 January 2012

Hi everyone

I made a goal that this year, I'm going to try and provide some support to fellow SAD sufferers - so here I am! :)

Liza, I think that anything that can be done to support people who are suffering with SAD is a great idea - support group/forum/blog - go for it! :)

I've been thinking of starting a blog for a while; not that I'm an expert, but I have been managing my SAD symptoms for about ten years now. I've been wary of broadcasting the fact that I suffer from SAD, as an old colleague once told me to be careful about disclosing that information. But after successfully helping a few colleagues in my workplaces over the last couple of years, I'm now thinking, "to hell with it - it's nothing to be ashamed of, it shouldn't be hidden, it should be identified and improved!"

Looking around the web, I can find one-off blog posts, but not a dedicated blog. The thing that I'm concerned about is having the time and dedication to post regularly... PurpleIvy, I think many who suffer from SAD would agree that finding the energy to participate in anything more than their daily 'necessities' can be difficult.

I've started to jot down some post ideas, so I think I might give it a whirl.

Geordie Girl, where do you work? How great that an employer has provided these lamps? I often think that there should be some research into how much it costs employers in lost productivity due to employees suffering with SAD (maybe someone already has?).

Lou - I'm really glad to hear that you invested in a lamp; I hope you're finding the benefits are building day-on-day.

Anyway, enough from me for now! :)
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Posted by Geordie Girl, 09:29 23 January 2012

Hi Neens

Geordie Girl here - I work at Leeds University - the lamps are purchased through our Stationery Supplies but we were all encouraged to have one for our desks regardless of whether we found the dark afternoons/evenings a problem - they are great I use mine quite a bit as you can imagine at this time of the year - they are even comforting on a drizzly grey summer's day! There is a website that has been set up called BLACK DOG which is to provide somewhere where people can chat in forum style about all aspects of depression - I think it is quite good - give it a try and see what you think......
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Posted by Geordie Girl, 09:41 23 January 2012

Hi me again - just thought it may help if I post on here the website address for BLACK DOG:

http://blackdogtribebeta.com/
Liza
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Posted by Liza, 14:02 23 January 2012

Hi All
Neens
, I am interested in your ideas, it could be a blog where we all post as often or as little as required.
Purple Ivy you wouldnt have to read or post unless you felt well enough to do so
So, where to start ... Neens ??
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Posted by Neens, 14:45 24 January 2012

Hey Geordie Girl

Thanks for sharing the blackdogtribe website; it looks great! It seems that it will grow really organically, depending on what people want to talk about.

Liza, have you had chance to take a look? What do you think?

I think this sounds ideal for the getting support side of things that you were talking about Liza.

My idea for a blog was to provide some information in one place where people can find info and advice by clicking a word tag... I think this forum is excellent, based on the short time I've been on here, but I think people probably end up asking questions about things that have already been covered in older posts... I'd like to provide something where good tips can be found in a post that's easily accessible. But then anyone will be able to comment and have a discussion below...and we could have 'guest blogs' too - where other people write the post and are acknowledged as the author.

My friend is running a successful blog and I'm going to have a chat with her about setting mine up in the coming weeks. For now, I'm adding to my list of potential topics, so feel free to make suggestions. :)

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Posted by petite, 22:38 6 February 2012

Hi All

I asked at occupational health at my workplace if they knew of anybody else suffering from sad that might like to be put in touch with other people for some mutual support - the answer was that they did not know of anybody- any thoughts as to whether the condition is just not common, being misdiagnosed or not diagnosed or people are just not admitting to it if they do actually get diagnosed?

By the way has anybody joined the 'body' that I did find a website for - cost £12 a year supposed to provide up to date information etc - just wondered if there were any thoughts out there
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Posted by petite, 22:38 6 February 2012

Hi All

I asked at occupational health at my workplace if they knew of anybody else suffering from sad that might like to be put in touch with other people for some mutual support - the answer was that they did not know of anybody- any thoughts as to whether the condition is just not common, being misdiagnosed or not diagnosed or people are just not admitting to it if they do actually get diagnosed?

By the way has anybody joined the 'body' that I did find a website for - cost £12 a year supposed to provide up to date information etc - just wondered if there were any thoughts out there
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Posted by Neens, 21:20 19 February 2012

Hey ladies. Petite, sorry for the very late reply!

I thought of joining SADA, but their site doesn't seem to be updated regularly - the news says coming soon and had the designer's lorum ipsom text last I looked. But it is great for the facts. :)

Nearly one in four people suffer from SAD and winter blues according to them; I think employers news to take more notice, like Geordie Girl's.

The Light Room blog is now up and running: http://www.sadlightblog.info. I'd really love your feedback on it. If you like it, maybe you'd subscribe? I'm really excited about it but wanted to get a couple of posts up before I shared it with you :)

Neens x
Liza
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Posted by Liza, 14:02 20 February 2012

Hi all :)
How is the new lamp coming on Lou? are you still feeling the benefits ??
Neens I will go and have a nosey at your blog this afternoon. I too have been very busy working on a blog which I am hoping will also be up and ready for every one to look at soon as possible, I keep telling myself the site will be empty in a few weeks with the spring and summer both definitely on their way.
I also looked at joiing the SADA but felt that paying to access support is so so unfair, hence the reason for my wanting to start some form of support group.
Hop eyou are all smiling -there really is light now .........
Big hugs to all x
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Posted by Neens, 20:03 20 February 2012

Hi LCHerts

Doing good thanks, hope you are too :)

Great to hear you're setting up a blog too - looking forward to seeing it.
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Posted by petite, 16:07 22 February 2012

Hi All

Thanks for comments - LCHerts hope you are still doing ok.

Interesting that some places (no doubt odd ones) are providing 'lights' don't think that will be possible where I work.

Blogs sound interesting - will keep an eye

I agree that it does seem unfair to have to pay for information but it was really all I could find. I was so disappointed that there seems to be so little out there for one to help ones self - oh well

I had a good day on Sunday but then a bad couple of days funnily enough not to bad today

Keep going all - hopefully post again soon
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Posted by Neens, 21:20 22 February 2012

Hi Petite

Is there a pattern to your bad days, like when the weather is a particular way, or if you didn't use your light as long?

I too was really surprised how little info is available that is accessible. I was convinced there would already be dedicated blogs before I started one, but there didn't seem to be.

Hope you continue to feel better. :)
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Posted by petite, 20:37 2 March 2012

Hi Neens thanks for post.

I do not know really whether there is any pattern. I do think that when days are brighter can feel better but then I can be up and down during the day. Usually feel better when escape at lunch time then slump sometimes in afternoon especially when light starts to fade.

Do not think office I work in helps - high windows and not a lot of natural light

By the way we have what is called 'intelligent lighting' means we have no control over it and if there is no movement light dims/fades no evidence but feel this 'fluctating' lighting does not help at all

Has anybody else come across this 'intelligent lighting'?

Not purchased a light box yet - keep my eyes open perhaps for sale or 'reconditioned'

Anyway good luck all hopefull things will pick up soon anyway

Hope to post again soon
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Posted by fernspray, 11:34 6 March 2012

Hi all, I have just joined the site and hope no one minds me adding a note of caution to starting a support group.This takes a lot of effort and committment and when you are not feeling 100% yourself can be very draining. I've done it myself in the past, and had to give it up. Occasional posting on a forum is one thing but 'being there' on a regular basis is quite another. Hope I am not speaking out of turn.
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Posted by Neens, 20:22 6 March 2012

Hey Petite

Yes, I've got a similar situation - our window in the office faces into a courtyard and our view is a brick wall! We have intelligent lighting too - but it tends to just go off if there's no movement. I am terrible for not getting out for a lunch break. I know that I should, as any natural light will be good for me, but since I usually bring lunch into work, I don't want to go out 'just for the sake of it'. See, I don't always take my own advice! ;)

Fernspray - no you're not speaking out of turn at all; you're entitled to express your opinion. :) I can certainly understand it being draining - I think PurpleIvy raised the same concern earlier in the thread. My own view is that if someone feels strong enough to provide support, then it can only be a good thing - however they want to provide it. But I do think that a physical support group takes a lot of commitment; we all know how hard it is to drag ourselves out on an especially bad day. However, maybe that feeling of purpose would help the group leader? Good to hear your thoughts.

Hope you're all well - I'm finding late Feb/Mar a bit of a rollercoaster - as I do every year!

Neens x

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Posted by fernspray, 09:30 7 March 2012

Hi Neens, thank you for your comments.I am not too bad at present, mornings seem worse for me though, sometimes the anxious feelings stay with me untill late afternoon and then settle a bit up to bed time.I do make myself go out(dog walking, shopping etc) even if I don't feel like it.It is a struggle sometimes though, even doing the cooking seems a daunting chore!! Hope you will have a good day today.
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Posted by Neens, 22:08 7 March 2012

I know that feeling - I don't have any problem going out for work, but find that I've to drag myself out on a miserable day if I don't have to be anywhere!

Gorgeous sunshine today! :)
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Posted by fernspray, 07:05 8 March 2012

Hi Neens, I will stick to just answering you on this post, or I will get confused LOL.
I think you do very well to be able to go to work, I don't think I could cope, going out shopping is bad enough and I end up wanting to come home. Which is stupid because in the summer it doesn't bother me, and I can go anywhere.How can we be slaves to our own fears? x
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Posted by Neens, 21:02 8 March 2012

It's so much easier now that I can mostly manage my symptoms - as I say it's just when I don't need to be anywhere that I will be tempted to stay inside. My partner is really good at persuading me to get out though! :)

Is it fear that makes you want to come home? Do you find the darkness unnerving? The brain is wonderful in so many ways, but I find it amazing how it can trick us, incapacitated us and be so strongly affected by changes in hormones. x
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Posted by fernspray, 06:49 9 March 2012

Morning Neens. Yes I think it is fear that haunts me mostly, but I don't really know why. Some times I am fine and almost feel 'normal'and then out of the blue the fear washes over me and I start to feel panicky and light headed and just want my comfort zone.I do make myself go out and when the sun is shinning I feel quite relaxed.My husband is a big help to me too, and my son.
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Posted by Neens, 22:10 9 March 2012

It's great that they're understanding. :)

Hope that the lengthening days will bring you some relief, and maybe the cbt too, when you can get an appointment.
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Posted by almostspring, 15:29 12 March 2012

I hope I am not out of line. I am the wife of a SAD husband. He is everything descibed here and has been on medication (prozac) for a year now. Sleeps constantly when he's not at work and shows no emotions or physical attraction to me. I read this is normal but can any of you give me insight. I've tried everything and this is year 4. Thank you.
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Posted by Neens, 19:48 12 March 2012

Hi almostspring, welcome to the forum.

You're not out of line at all; the forum is a supportive environment where you can get advice, and get your feelings off your chest if you need to.

Are your husband's symptoms markedly seasonal, or do they persist into the summer? You say that he's taking anti-depressant medication, but he's still experiencing depressive symptoms - has he considered going back to the doctor to explore why the medication is not working for him? Have you seen any improvement since he began it?

Many people who suffer with SAD find light therapy helpful - has your husband considered this?
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Posted by almostspring, 20:04 12 March 2012

Thank you NEENS. Yes, it is normally winter time and he started the meds last February 2011. I thought it made him worse...we both went back to doc (physician assistant who my husband likes) and he said he could not put my husband on anything else...needless to say, I was not happy and very frustrated as well as my husband. We went to therapy and he simply just has no interest in anything...we stopped after a few months.
I think his best bet is going to be seeing our physician but getting him there will be a struggle. Thank you for understanding, no one I talk to does and our marriage is sufferering badly. Thanks again
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Posted by Neens, 21:50 15 March 2012

Sorry for the late reply almostspring, and sorry too, to hear how difficult you're both finding your husband's symptoms. I think people often forget how hard it can be for a sufferer's family and friends. Depressive symptoms can sometimes make people quite insular and focused on their own feelings. Certainly before I learned to manage my symptoms I could be very difficult to be around.

Has your husband tried light therapy? What is he like if there's a couple of bright days?
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Posted by petite, 12:57 15 April 2012

Hi All

Anybody else any experience of 'intelligent lighting' I have no 'proof' but my thoughts are that the 'fluctuating' level of lighting does not help with sad symptoms
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Posted by gracey, 01:35 21 May 2012

How do you manage your symptoms Neens? I've been suffering since last Sept. You're right in that I've become focused on my own feelings which even frustrates me more. It's been a battle. I'm now on citalopram, which i dislike due to all the side effects! Appreciate any feedback!

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