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Sleepybird
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Posted by Sleepybird, 07:13 21 February 2007

The fact that im up typing this at 06.45 and im eating a chocolate bar and can of coke for breakfast tells me theres something wrong straight away!

I had such a bad time last night. My mum and i were supposed to go to cinema but couldnt get in cos it was fully booked. We went for a walk round one of the shops open at that time, and she was telling me about problems she and my step dad are having at the moment. They have money problems and are getting very strained, im petrified they might split up after 13 years of marriage. He is my dad to me and the thought of losing him scares the hell out of me. Also mum is due to have a hysterectomy in April and has just been diagnosed with high blood pressure so shes worried she may have a heart attack if shes not careful. I was up crying my eyes out in front of my boyfriend til midnight and now my eyes look like ive been in a fight they are so swollen. I know the SAD may have started it because i started leading on into how i feel like a failure and im weak for letting this thing take hold of me. My family and my boyfriend are being so fantastic and i also feel bad for putting the weight of this onto them, so its a vicious cycle i cant get out of!

Does anyone else have the same thing where problems, however small or insignificant, seem huge and that you cant deal with them? Even stupid problems at work like my computer not working properly becomes a huge issue to me!

Ive got another appointment with doc today and i want to get this under control so badly. Ive noticed its starting to get lighter in the mornings and you can actually hear the birds sing in the morning which means summer is on the way.

I bought one of those daylight bulbs that i have put into a lamp in the lounge. Its brilliant and a cheaper way of getting some natural light! Its also making my lovebirds more alert as well lol so theyve been up early singing away.

Next year i'll be prepared for this, this is the first year it has felt out of control, maybe because we havent had a particularly bright winter this year.

This forum really feels like a lifeline lol

Hope everyone else ok, have a good day

Kirsty
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Posted by Linda, 08:28 21 February 2007

Hi Kirsty,

I'm sorry you've had such a rough time. Your cinema experience sounds exactly like one I had a year ago; my husband and I dropped my little girl off at her grandparents' and we were going to have our first afternoon together without her since she was a baby, we were really looking forward to seeing this film -- and it was packed out. I was very upset and I cried. Depression can make it difficult to deal with things like that, as you say even the simplest day-to-day things.

However, I think it's perfectly understandable that you are upset about the problems your parents are having. These are not insignificant and of course you'd be worried about people you love.

I have a couple of suggestions for you. First, if you feel you are affected by lack of sunlight in winter, you might benefit from trying a light box, if not now then in the autumn. Most places give you a month's trial period during which you can send it back if it is not helping.

Secondly, I would like you to consider how your diet is affecting you. Most people know that eating junk food, particularly on its own as a meal, is not healthy. What they don't understand is the profound effect this can have on both mental and physical health. You may say that the chocolate and fizzy drink were just comfort foods this time, that ordinarily you would not have them for breakfast, but my guess is that this is not the first time you've had them as a comfort when you feel upset. I used to be the chocolate and cream queen myself, I was always eating those things -- when I was sad, when I was happy, etc etc. Diets never worked for me and I craved those things, always thought I felt better when I had them.

Depression can make you crave them too, and I know that's hard to fight. However, it can be done, and you might go a long way to getting rid of your depression if you make some changes in how you eat. I've put some info in a topic here called Nutrition Info if you'd like to read it. I would ask you just to try to be open to some of the ideas there, even if you are thinking the connection between diet and depression is crazy. Many people seem to want to dismiss this and will go on feeling lousy and depressed because they are not willing to change the way they eat, or even consider that it is having an effect on them (witness the topic here called Your Favourite Carbohydrate Crave).

I hope you're feeling better soon Kirsty. Do you think it would help to spend some time with your mother and just enjoy being together? Or with your stepfather too?

My thoughts are with you Kirsty and I hope things are looking up soon. The answers are there if you keep looking. The last thing I would suggest is just please try not to panic at the doctor's. He/she will almost certainly give you another antidepressant to try. There are other ways to get at the roots of depression. I know how painful it can be, and in the past I went to the doctor several times myself in tears, utterly desperate, and I got on the antidepressant treadmill because as far as I could see, it was the last option available to me. If someone had been here to give me the info about nutrition and depression that I needed, I wouldn't have gone through that. My own depression has been caused by nutritional deficiencies/diet, and my life circumstances (being a stay-at-home mum doesn't agree with me and I'm trying to find a job).

I hope this helps, do let us know how you get on,
Linda.
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Posted by Piglet, 08:36 21 February 2007

Hi Kirsty, I hope you're feeling a bit better now?

Personally I found (pre-lightbox) that I was unable to cope with even the smallest things, I knew that in the summer I could cope with whatever life threw at me but in the winter life felt like a house of cards that it would only take one more thing for the whole lot to come tumbling down!

It's difficult to deal with all of this once you're in the middle of SAD. Really all I can suggest is that you try to deal with the problems that you can deal with one at a time as and when they need dealing with. You can't deal with your mum's marriage - it's not in your capability, only she can deal with it and personally if you feel brave enough you need to ask her to stop unloading onto you. Tough though it is, she's the parent and you are the child and it is not for you to solve her problems.

Sometimes the hardest thing to learn (in the words of a counsellor friend of mine) is that everyone has "monkeys" - these are their own problems. You can only look after your own monkeys, and other people must look after their own.

Try to find out about things that cause you stress to enable you to rationalise things. High blood pressure is very common as people age, it is easily treated, with medication if necessary and doesn't automatically mean your mum will have a heart attack.

A hysterectomy is major surgery but is a very common procedure that is performed day in and day out in hospitals. You mum will be fine after it, you'll need to be there to look after her (no bending, lifting etc.) for a few weeks but she'll be fine.

It's difficult to rationalise when you feel like you do but you need to focus on getting through the next few weeks, there is light at the end of the tunnel and you can then focus on being sorted for next winter!

I'll let Linda deal with your diet but suffice it to say chocolate and coke will be throwing your blood sugar levels all over the place. Do some research on the effect that your blood sugar levels have on the way you feel. This is something that is within you to control and I promise you that if you can get yourself off the sugar high and low rollercoaster you'll feel much better and your mood will be more stable.

Good luck!

Piglet
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Posted by Sleepybird, 08:42 21 February 2007

Thank you Linda, your words and support are really a comfort!

No i wouldnt normally eat/drink that stuff in the morning and it definately was a 'pick me up' probably cos i feel so tired this morning.

Generally i dont eat too much junk food, i eat alot of fish (at least a tin of tuna a day) and i usually have fruit for my breakfast along with alot of water. I must admit in winter this food doesnt make me feel much better but in the summer im full of energy! I probably should eat a bit more fresh fruit and veg so i will try. Im 1/4 italian so eat alot of pasta, i'll try and cut down on that a little too.

As you can see from a previous post i am purchasing a light box that i can take to work with me when i go back and also have with me at home. I also have a dawn simulator alarm which is helping so much and a natural daylight bulb in my lounge lights. I am sure a light box will help a great deal!

Also i dont know if anyone else has tried this but i went out and bought lots of fresh daffodils and other flowers yesterday, just having them round the house and smelling them makes me feel cheerful and that spring is here.

Kirsty
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Posted by Linda, 12:06 21 February 2007

Sorry Kirsty, I must have missed your other post where you said you were trying a light box. I hope you find it helps. Many people here get some relief from them.

Piglet's advice is excellent, I'm glad she wrote to you about your mum. You must be worried, but like she says, these are things you mum needs to deal with herself, especially in her marriage. You can give your love and support but it's not for you to solve her problems.

Re diet, again what Piglet says is good sense. Many people on this list say they eat relatively healthily and leave it at that. Again I would just ask you to visit the nutrition topic here. Unless you eat the healthiest diet possible, with all organic fruit and veg, and are lucky to have an iron constitution, then it is just not possible to get all the nutrition we need from today's food alone, for a variety of reasons. One, being that the soil has been stripped of nutrients from intensive farming, and it is proven fact that the fruit and veg in the supermarkets contain significantly fewer vitamins than they did even a generation ago. Another, being that nutritional deficiencies can be passed down the generations, so that you could be living quite healthily, but still be having problems due to your mother's state of nutritonal health when she was pregnant with you. Again, there are studies that show this. A person could eat a lot of junk food in their life and perhaps be lucky enough to have the constitution to avoid the common associated diseases, but if that person has a child the child will suffer, and this can get worse and worse with succeeding generations.

I know vegetarians who eat what most people would consider to be very healthy diets. However, unless you supplement as a vegetarian, there are some essential vitamins and amino acids that you will not be getting due to the meat-free diet. Deficiencies in just a few things can make a difference.

Tinned tuna is OK but it has been processed and so has lost some nutrients, and also does not contain much omega-3. Do you eat much fresh oily fish like salmon or mackerel? Have you thought about taking fish oil supplements?

I could go on and on, I'm not sure how interesting you find this, but it can make such a big difference. I belong to an internet list where people go to safely withdraw from psychotropic drugs. The way they get off the drugs, and overcome the original problems that got them on the drugs, is to change their diets and take supplements. Many also find therapy helpful. It blew my mind at first to see people with diagnosed schizophrenia, bipolar, etc doing this, but it's real. Nutrition is a powerful healing tool.

Take care Kirsty, and let us know how you get on with your light box,
Linda.
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Posted by Piglet, 12:19 21 February 2007


Also i dont know if anyone else has tried this but i went out and bought lots of fresh daffodils and other flowers yesterday, just having them round the house and smelling them makes me feel cheerful and that spring is here.


I do this to, in the winter, when I'm not at my best, I allow myself lots of treats - maybe flowers, maybe an evening to myself where I don't have to answer the phone or communicate with anyone (in a positive sense!), long bath whatever - it's regarding these things as treats and getting that warm fluffy feeling that is important.

I've got a very nice (and cheap) little bunch of daffs on my work window sill as I type!!

I think I'm going to have tulips next week as they look lovely!
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Posted by Sleepybird, 12:25 21 February 2007

I have also got s back massage booked for later, i find these very theraputic and helpful
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Posted by anna, 22:10 22 February 2007

i definately have trouble keeping control of my problems!

at the moment im really upset and stressed because of the state my uni have left me in about accomodation next year. they failed to tell me about applying for uni accomodation for when i return after my placement year and didnt even bother to inform me that the halls accomodation on my campus is being closed down because it unsafe. this meant i ended up finding out the deadline was 3 days away by chance and in a panic i agreed to live with an aquaintance and his girlfriend and 3 strangers in a house in town because atleast id be living with 'rural' students from my campus and thy would sort out the house.

it was a mistake as my aquiantance and his girlfriend have now split up (after a year and a half together!) and the house arangement has fallen to peices and all of them are now sorted for places to live elsewhere. im way past the deadline for living in uni accomodation.

its a big issue for me, particulary not being able to live with people i know who can support me when im suffering from my SAD and not being able to live near to where my lectures are. i struggled to get to lectures on time when i was a 30 second walk from the theatre last year because of the SAD let alone living on the other side of town a stupidly long bus ride away. i also liked the chance to be able to have power naps between lectures. i no longer have that luxury. my studies are really going to suffer and i dont feel at all supported by my uni.

ive just emailed the disability support officer asking him for advice and help as im supposed to be garunteed accomodation as a disabled student, and i am hoping thats garunteed on my first choice of accomodation becuase it would suit me needs best.

every option is going to end up a compramise next year, but at the moment its possible i could be living in halls down in town, with complete strangers- quite possiby the foriegn students, who are all townies who dont get the 'rural' students (theres always been a big divide between the main campus and our rural campus). it would be aweful for me. :(

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