Light therapy tips for better sleep

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gentle giant
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Posted by gentle giant, 23:15 24 September 2006

Hello... just registered and still trying to find my way round.

I have a question that may seem obvious, but I am only just finding out about SAD. Last winter (unfortunately part way through when I was already feeling down) I bought a lightbox and used it for 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes in the evening. I didn't feel that it helped very much. My question is do you feel the benefits of using a lightbox while you are actually sat in front of it or does it take weeks before you start to feel better? Should I be using it now, or do you just do it when you feel you need it? Last year I felt as though it was too late and it just wasn't up to the job of helping.

Hope someone can explain the principles of these lightboxes to me.
zizillia
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Posted by zizillia, 10:21 25 September 2006

Hi,

Ive had SAD for 4 years (my mum has had it for almost her whole life) and we've both found that any medicating for SAD has to be on a long term basis. I have periods during the winter when I feel like nothing works and theres no point, these are bad times coz rather than doing light I skive off uni & lie in bed avoiding the world! However my boyfriend assures me that light therapy does makes a difference to me & in the summer when Im thinking clearly I know that after accumulated use 3 weeks+ light does make a difference.

The key is to remember that nothing is a complete cure, dont expect miracles, but it does help so its better than nothing. Don't give up on it too early & start using it the moment you feel the slightest symptoms that way it will be working well when the worst symptoms finally kick in.

Also ( I keep plugging this but it works so well for me) Salus liquid SJW is really good, I think it works better than light therapy for me. But you have to drink a lot (60ml a day) and keep it up for weeks as with the light therapy!

Good luck!
siddy
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Posted by siddy, 12:15 25 September 2006

Okay the efects of a lightbox can be overstated but the bottom line is I no longer take to my bed for a week and I can get out of bed easier in the morning when this is used in conjunction with a dawn simulator.

I still feel overtired all the time and want to lie down, depressed and agitated but I can function better. I do everything possible to help myself but the bottom line is winter is a very hard time.
gentle giant
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Posted by gentle giant, 12:36 25 September 2006

Thanks you for taking the time to reply. I guess I just need to stick with it and have faith that it is working.

I have been reading a few of the previous postings regarding lightboxes and see that there are two sorts of light, blue or white?? Well I have a feeling that mine is a blue light and I think that may be why I don't enjoy sitting in front of it. Does anyone have any advice about the type of light is best.

We had thought that perhaps I was a SAD sufferer and bought the lightbox and then in the middle of this summer, on a very bright summers day in early June (summer was late coming though), I had a very bad slump and was in such a state I went to see the doc the next day and I was given anti depressants. So we began to think that perhaps it wasn't SAD. But I read somewhere on here that it could be that it is SAD connected, even though it was a sunny day. We had friends here and they had just left and I felt so sad, I just didn't know what to do with myself, and was verging on a panic attack. I have had these panic attacks (usually at Christmas time) before, so I recognised that I was going that way. Do you think it is possible that it was SAD related after all? I don't want to live on these anti depressant pills, but they do seem to work, whereas the lightbox didn't seem to.
siddy
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Posted by siddy, 19:52 25 September 2006

Hello,

Can I ask which lightbox you have?

Summer was awfully late and I was pretty up and down until the weather picked up properly in July. If the weather is grey I take a few days to pick up again even in summer.

Have you looked at the situations which affected you and whether or not it is a 'reactive depression' to do with relationships?

When I am feeling low with the weather I am not emotionally resilient so this coul be accentuating your feelings.....?

I would recommend a dawn simulator for anyone regardless if they have sad or not as it helps you wake easier on dark mornings.
gentle giant
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Posted by gentle giant, 23:22 25 September 2006

:? I guess you are going to tell me that I have bought a duff lightbox... I knew nothing about them when I bought it (still haven't a clue). It's an Elta from Germany.

"Have you looked at the situations which affected you and whether or not it is a 'reactive depression' to do with relationships?"

Well I have noticed that I don't like being alone when I feel really bad and find that if I talk to my wife about how I am feeling... it gets better... but only for a while... and then we have to have another talk.

"When I am feeling low with the weather I am not emotionally resilient so this coul be accentuating your feelings.....? "

I see what you are saying... it is possible. I do seem to be bad when people leave. I love having them around but don't like them leaving... especially at Christmas time.

The strange thing is that I don't really find that I don't want to get up in the mornings. I am always waiting to get up because I want my breakfast! My sleep pattern isn't bad. I go to bed at 10:30 p.m. (read for half an hour maybe) and I get up at 7:30 a.m. so I do get plenty of sleep. It is dusk that is the worst time for me, I really do feel bad when it starts to get dark. I find myself pacing the floor.

I do get outside as much as I can (walk the dog) and I think this helps, but by Christmas I am bad and it is a long time until the summer when I start to feel better.

Do you think it is worth persevering with this lightbox? Perhaps I should have another/different one so that I don't have to move it around with me?
ally may
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Posted by ally may, 08:55 26 September 2006

I can identify with what your saying re: the dusk, it's something I enjoy in may/june when its happening slowly around -for the sake of argument - ten but on the other side if the dusk is coming in very sharply in winter around about four, the whole day just feels like it's being truncated.

I think those dawn simulators Siddy mentions, sound like a good idea because most people getting up for work will be getting up when it's in the dark outside in between the clock changes in october and march.
gentle giant
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Posted by gentle giant, 14:45 26 September 2006

These dawn simulators sound like a good idea. Although mornings aren't bad for me, I can see that it fools the brain into thinking that it is still summertime. Not sure what my wife will think of it though!
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Posted by siddy, 18:49 26 September 2006

Hello,
No it isn't duff it just has magnetic ballast instead of electronic which means it flickers slightly more that's all. The bulbs are exactly the same as 70% of light boxes. It's not blue light so no worries there;

Check out www.morningsunrise.com for a different type of dawn simulator which plugs into ordinary lamp.
gentle giant
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Posted by gentle giant, 19:16 26 September 2006

Thanks for the link siddy. I'll have a look at that.
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Posted by megj, 13:53 2 October 2006

Hi,

Can I ask - those of you who have a dawn simulator, do you have partners? I'm not sure how my boyfriend would react if I suggested one of these as he gets up much later than me!
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Posted by paulst, 16:10 2 October 2006

My wife likes the dawn simulator as much as I do, I think it has helped us both sleep better :)
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Posted by cotambear, 19:50 2 October 2006

I have a big wooden lightbox mounted on a cantilever iron frame above my bed.

Its handy for getting a dose while I lay on my bed reading.

I have it plugged in to a timer so it comes on in the morning to simulate dawn. It of course does not come on gradually so it goes from pitch black to nuclear airburst in seconds.

I will post a pic of it on here when I get hold of a digital camera.
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Posted by Elettaria, 20:10 25 October 2009

If you're not getting enough of an effect from your lightbox, try using it for longer.

I use dawn simulation and have a partner, although in my case he's the one who gets up earlier than me. I recommend the one from Morning Sunrise, as you can plug it into whatever lamp you choose, or even two lamps. After some experimenting, we've set it up as follows. On my side of the bed is an anglepoise lamp pointing at the wall with a 28w halogen (40w equivalent) bulb. On his side is a little 25w spotlight angled into the corner of the room so that not much light comes up. The simulated sunrise lasts an hour and ends at 9 am, which is about the time my partner leaves for work and when I'm getting up. He doesn't like getting up to a fully bright room, so this way it's not too much of a shock for him when he actually gets up at about 8.30. I'm not being woken entirely by the light, various alarms go off too (dawn simulation alone doesn't work for him and he can't risk being late for work), but it seems to be enough to help my sleep settle into a better routine.
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Posted by KS, 18:12 26 October 2009

I have to remind myself that light therapy manages - but does not cure - my SAD. I have to make a concerted effort to do plenty of aerobic exercise and strictly avoid depressants such as alcohol otherwise I'm surprised to find that it is still in the background dropping mean hints!

But the first time I used a 10,000 lux lamp it was effective after a few days of hourly sessions and lifted me out of a terrible blur one November in the UK when I couldn't function at work, my relationship was seriously compromised and I was having suicidal thoughts. This despite walking my dog for five miles and cycling fast for 45 minutes every day.

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