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Diane
joined 4 Mar 2003
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Posted by Diane, 15:12 4 March 2003

Hi :lol:

My Doctor told me that I probably have SAD (problems started after I had my daughter 4 years ago), put me on Prozac and muttered something a lightboxes as I was leaving. I looked into and hired a light box. The light box has turned my life around but reading some of the other messages on the forum I saw that people mention watching their diet.

I'm having major problems with controlling my diet, I've put on 1 stone in weight since September mainly due to binge eating of crisps and wine (although the urge has lessened since starting treatment). Has anyone else experienced this?

Any advice on foods to avoid or make a point of eating would be gratefully accepted. Also any advice on how to cope with the bad days I still get would be great.

Thanks

Diane
siddy
joined 22 Jan 2003
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Posted by siddy, 21:20 4 March 2003

People talk about curbing carbohydrates which I find virtually impossible although i have lost two stones by increasing my protein intake. I try to eat eggs, baked beans e.t.c for breakfast plus toast or cereals and really fill up. I eat 3 big full meals in the day 8, 12 am and 5pm so that I feel stuffed most of the day and it reduces my need for junk food. You may need to eat lunch earlier than normal and tea likewise than you would normally do. You will allso need to wean yourself off high fat and sugar foods by replacing them with healthier but nice alternatives, it will feel a bit like going cold Turkey! Look in fridge or freezer cupboards e.t.c if it is over 15% fat bin it or treat once a week, buy low fat cheese anfd other alternatives and get off the rollercoaster of sugar and fat high and lows! Good luck
siddy
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Posted by siddy, 21:25 4 March 2003

People talk about curbing carbohydrates which I find virtually impossible although i have lost two stones by increasing my protein intake. I try to eat eggs, baked beans e.t.c for breakfast plus toast or cereals and really fill up. I eat 3 big full meals in the day 8, 12 am and 5pm so that I feel stuffed most of the day and it reduces my need for junk food. You may need to eat lunch earlier than normal and tea likewise than you would normally do. You will allso need to wean yourself off high fat and sugar foods by replacing them with healthier but nice alternatives, it will feel a bit like going cold Turkey! Look in fridge or freezer cupboards e.t.c if it is over 15% fat bin it or treat once a week, buy low fat cheese anfd other alternatives and get off the rollercoaster of sugar and fat high and lows! Good luck
Bright One
joined 29 Jan 2003
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Posted by Bright One, 13:48 5 March 2003

5' 6, 11 stone- doing a fantastic outdoor summer job


university and SAD combined to turn this into
5' 6 (damn didn't get any taller), 14 stone (well slightly less if I leant a particular way on the scales)

Finally I am inching, or should that be pounding (literally, I run!) my way back down to somewhere near 11 stone (aiming for less).

One reason that I put on weight is because as Siddy was saying I ate a lot of high fat and high sugar processed stuff BUT also I don't think eating 5lbs of potatoes in 3-4 days did me much good either! I literally ate porridge, potatoes, pasta and bread... not all together but that really was it!

I had the mother of all carb cravings- I haven't cut them out but I moniter them closely to make sure I'm not having them at every meal.

I cut out caffiene but then again I did that partly because I drank way to much tea I've said somewhere else that the advice that goes with this is that the initial high isn't worth the depressant effect on your system. Cutting down works as well.

Keeping a food diary for a couple of weeks is good. Noting down how you feel alongside the food. For example, last week I was eating really badly - crisps, chocolate basically junk - by Friday I was a wreck. A week end of sunshine and (tasty) healthy food and I'm back on top form.

Crikey I do go on... must learn to be concise!

Amy
Julie in Sussex
joined 21 Jan 2003
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Posted by Julie in Sussex, 18:04 5 March 2003

Hmm.......well, diets.

As Amy (Bright One) has found, it is a seriously plumping up time, the SAD months. So, Diane, you are certainly not alone by any means, we all do it! But again it boils down to personal power, similar to that of maintaining a sensible routine of getting up at a regular time in the morning. And, it is very very hard.

I always gain weight quite dramatically and by February am generally beginning to panic about wearing shorts and 'T's when the summer finally comes. Occasionally I have crash dieted and with dire consequences - I almost cease to function at all, mentally and physically. This is rectified in two days by eating sensibly and healthily, and enough. So, yes it is moderation in all things, though sugars and fats are on my limited list. The answer is probably three balanced meals and NO NIBBLING! Plenty of fresh vegetables and fruit, then moderate carbs and protein, lots of fresh water and limited tea, coffee, fizz and alcohol. All topped off with a time in the fresh air, walking ~ a time to also reflect and absorb the surrounding scene, whatever it is!

But, none of that is easy when in a downward spiral, but it helps to reverse the spiral, along with that vital light box. Maybe Diane your remaining bad days are as a result of not using your light box on a truly regular basis. It is so easy to slip back, it only takes me two days of no light box and I am well on the way back to total despair.

So, look after your diet and have a really regular commitment to your light. Your light box will make you feel so much better and when you feel that much better you have more personal power to control carb cravings. If you have read all the posts here you will also see that Yoga comes high on a number of lists as being of benefit.

All the best, all of you. It's really good to know that no one is now alone.
And Amy, please don't go trying to be concise, you are fun to read just as you are!

Julie :)
Bright One
joined 29 Jan 2003
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Posted by Bright One, 10:23 6 March 2003

A reason for watching your carb intake is that it is 'sleepy' food. Slow burning energy ideal for endurance exercise and piling on the pounds for hibernation to name two activities.

I've just realise that I have an interesting philosophy on things. I've noticed that I tend to put things into 4 categories:
sad, happy, sleepy and awake.

I am a simple soul, a little like a plant, I only thrive when exposed to sunlight. But I'm not green.

Amy
Sallie
joined 3 Mar 2003
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Posted by Sallie, 13:29 6 March 2003

Ooohhh. Well that's just buggered my diet right up. No one told me carbs were BAD for saddies, in fact quite the opposite (although none of these people were professionals).

Not that my doctor or psychiatrist bothered to tell me either. Aaaagghhh! What can i eat? I like carbs, jacket spuds oozing cheese and beans, or pasta n sauce. Heeeelp!
Julie in Sussex
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Posted by Julie in Sussex, 13:55 6 March 2003

Sallie ~ no panicking! Carbs are NOT BAD for you! They are very necessary in your balanced diet, but SAD people tend to go the whole hog and binge out on carbohydrates, and that is not good. One ends up fat and sleepy, well, I do! Spuds and beans, pasta too, good, but not in excess. Julie
Bright One
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Posted by Bright One, 11:08 7 March 2003

I second Julie (we appear to be operating like a double act at the moment, should we go on tour?)

Carbs are not bad. No food is bad- in moderation.
Food is not good or bad in itself, it is the quantity and the combinations that can have icky effects.

Jacket spuds with cheese and beans... fantastic, a good source of protein, carbs and a bit of fat too. Actually not a bad meal. It's just if you eat that and only that!

And a handy hint, if you get some regular exercise 3-4 (or more) times a week then the food thing becomes easier... you'll find that you actually eat more healthily. But remember going for a run will not balance out a whole packet of hob nobs!

amy
Bright One
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Posted by Bright One, 17:02 8 January 2004

Just resurrecting an old topic I thought might interest Joeybear.

There are others with food stuff in them just do a search... it can be quite laborious digging through all the mentions of 'food' for thought and the like... maybe be more specific
oldhippy
joined 6 Jul 2003
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Posted by oldhippy, 22:56 10 January 2004

Must admit Dances with Matalan Sandles I am really into the old Curries since my local supermarket had these fantastic ones that are normally about 3 quid a jar on offer for 99p, they had 6 diffrent types so I bought 12 jars of the things and 1 jar makes 2 meals for this sad hippy.

I buy chicken breast to avoid the Mad cows, and I have now cut out my carb crisps totally and take the old vits and garlic every day.

My body is a Temple

and a dam ruined one at that :shock:
jfk
joined 29 Dec 2003
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Posted by jfk, 00:32 11 January 2004

Hi

Glad to hear that carb is a puller for all. Does anyone loose weight?My dig problem is that sugar is a puller and if I'm not in control of my sleep I tend to snack, sleep, snack. And lets face it a crispy bisc/choco bar is much more appealing than a carrot. Just that I loose weight, guess just not eating enough in general. Think it's all that sleeping!

Thanks for advice on chocolate (diff fourm) has helped. Have reduced the chocolate intake and am not replacing with carbs. Have also managed to get to gym twice last week, so am kinda in control - slept all day today (sat) ooops.

Never mind tomorrows another day!!! :shock:
siddy
joined 22 Jan 2003
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Posted by siddy, 09:56 11 January 2004

Hello, it can be done!
Well I am still kicking myself over a year later that I have actually lost weight, two stones in all! Two years ago my motorcycle was nicked (again) and I thought f--k it I'm just using my cycle from now on and bollocks to the motorcycle. Well I cycled every shift to work which was a 22 mile round trip and only lost 4 lbs in six months. It really dawned on me then that exercise alone was never gonna do it for me! Coupled with the fact that I went on a first aid course and the guy doing the course said early onset of heart attacks are now expected at 36 it scared the bejeezus out of me. I had just become a dad and seriously wondered if I was going to see my kids leave school! I was the man who eat three meals a day with snacks in between (loads of chips) and for a treat in the evening generally sat down with two bars of choccy, 3 bags of crisps, doughnuts, assorted chewy sweets and pop!
My first recommendation is that you pig out at breakfast and you might have to acclimatise to eating early but you must build up your tolerance for a big breakfast. Have lunch early (about 12 or half eleven if you need to ) before you get really hungry and snack. Fill up at lunch again till you want no more. By tea time again eat at five (early) and hopefully you will still be feeling a little full from lunch but do eat.
The other important thing is eat things like beans, egg, cheese on toast or fish etc for breakfast. You need to make sure it's not completely carby toast and cereals type thing... give this a go and let me know, it's the first stage!
Julie in Sussex
joined 21 Jan 2003
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Posted by Julie in Sussex, 10:56 11 January 2004

Hi all fellow dieters, healthy eaters, SAD beaters!

Also tops on my list is plenty of water, and I mean at least 2-3 litres a day. Keeps toxins flushed, tummy full, and best all, the brain clear. Have given up chocolate, coffee, alcohol and fizz. I start the day with 2 lemon teas and from then on it's water. Hard in first week, bit headachy, but easy thereafter.

(This is an annual event for me, plan to lose 4 stone this time as reality has dawned and I have realised that every time I go upstairs it is the equavalent of a normal person struggle up the staircase carrying 3 buckets full of water!)

Good luck y'all (isn't it a battle!)

Julie (-6lbs!)
oldhippy
joined 6 Jul 2003
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Posted by oldhippy, 11:04 11 January 2004

Errr did you mention coffe there. I think I can give up most things but my coffee is one thing I know I shall never give up. Mind you I have now started on Tea at times.


I know over the many years my weight has increased :shock: most due to the carby binging in the winter, as Im one of these people that eat to cure some of the effects of depression with SAD. But Im getting there, my weight is at last decreasing dur to my binging has stopped and Im trying to get more exercise during the day times..

By July I want my weight to a semi respectfull size, I never weigh myself I go by what cloths I can get into, as jumping on the scales is far to depressing and I always say they lie through there front teeth.. :twisted:
Julie in Sussex
joined 21 Jan 2003
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Posted by Julie in Sussex, 12:42 11 January 2004

Yes, agree, coffee is a very very difficult thing to give up for we coffaholics, and giving up does certainly bring on the headaches for a few days, but I now actually feel better not drinking it.

Anyway, on the 'lighter side' (gosh I'm proud as there are several other meanings in that one, SAD brain functioning today!!), this favourite little quote should put a smile on the face of all sad flab fighters ......

"Some would consider the bathroom scales to be just about the worst invention of the 20th century. With the possible exception of the pet hamster, what other household object can immediately plunge one into the depths of despair just by standing on it?"
Love it!

Julie

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