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JS101
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Posted by JS101, 23:48 7 December 2005

Hi All

I've just started light therapy today, and I stumbled upon this forum. I am planning to lamp myself for an hour in the morning when I wake up, and for another hour when I get home from work.

Please could you tell me how long it takes to work, and whether a tingly head sensation and a sort of hairs standing up on end sensation are promising signs of success? I suppose I am asking if you experience immediate physical reactions that might indicate that light therapy is working?

Thanks in advanve, and I hope you all are doing swell.

John
Linda
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Posted by Linda, 18:33 8 December 2005

Yes most people seem to get that tingly feeling, and tingly is good! Sometimes I can feel it right down to my toes.
Some people get a reaction to the light straight away and some have to wait days or even a few weeks. You may be one of those so I think it's important not to give up too soon.
If you find you're having trouble then by all means let us know, maybe we can help you tweak things so that they work for you.
Best wishes,
Linda.
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Posted by paulst, 20:20 8 December 2005

I dont seem to get tingly or anything like that, just a little bit more awake, and perhaps a little more energy :) paul
JS101
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Posted by JS101, 23:03 8 December 2005

Thanks for your replies, and with luck Santa will bring us all a brighter futures :o

I've been searching through the forum for other peoples experiences of light therapy, and I am a bit concerned about Old Blue Eyes (aka Dave). Has anyone heard from him, after his bad light therapy experience? I would e-mail him myself, but I thought one of you that have spoken to him in the past could inquire after him, if you haven't already.

In my quest I also found references to the Apollo Health circadian rhythm test. From visiting the site it all seemed to over simplify and trivialise SAD. The test only appears to point out the most obvious convenient time to lamp yourself, based on whether you want to wake up early or stay awake longer. It’s all packaged nicely to look really scientific with great graphical charts, but there are all the usual disclaimers in the sites legal small print.

Surely light therapy timing is just about common sense, motivation, and consistency. There seems no point trying to fight to get up early to do an adequate session of light therapy in the morning if you have to be rushing around getting your kids ready for school and have to rush to work yourself. On top of that you probably end up going to bed late after doing all the chores, and then taking some time out to relax for yourself (if your anything like me), thereby making it the more likely that you will skimp on or skip the lamp session the next morning. In these cases it is would be easier to squeeze light therapy in during the evening while the dinner is in the oven, and the kids are watching TV or playing.

Using the lamp in morning and evening sounds like the best solution if you are able, since it will extend the photoperiod to that of a summer’s day. Hell what do I know anyway, I am just a human light therapy novice, and I am only using my knowledge of animal behaviour? Your feedback on why some of you feel better suited to morning/evening light therapy would be appreciated. Is it simply out of convenience for consistency, and the motivation of someone telling you scientifically that 'this is what is wrong and you need to do this to feel better', or not? Educate me in this matter please!

Stay happy folks

John
Linda
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Posted by Linda, 10:41 9 December 2005

Hi John,

Well it's true that some people seem to get benefits from light therapy whatever time of day they use it.
I think there's a good reason why it's generally recommended that you use it first thing in the morning if you have SAD though. Did you read what the Apollo site says about circadian rhythms? One of the things SAD can do to you is disrupt your body clock. Not only does this make it difficult for you to follow your normal sleep/wake pattern, but it can also make you feel low, sluggish, "fluey" -- symptoms associated with SAD. I think the questionnaire on the site is designed to help you understand what your body's natural rhythm is, and how far it's shifted.
Most people with SAD find that they can't get to sleep as early as they want, and have trouble getting out of bed in the morning. Their bodies are producing a chemical called melatonin, which makes you sleepy, too late; and it's still in their system making them groggy when they want to get up.
I have the rarer condition which is opposite to this. I found I was suddenly getting so tired between 5 and 6 p.m. that I could barely stay awake, and I was waking at 3 a.m. unable to get back to sleep. The melatonin was being produced too early and my body was running out of it in the middle of the night. Sunlight and serotonin are believed to play important roles in regulating the body clock so I guess it stands to reason that the lack of these things in the winter can cause it to go a bit haywire.
Light therapy can put these things right by shifting your body clock back to normal. This is the blessing of bright light for me because without it I'd be very ill. Early morning light can help you get sleepy earlier and wake up earlier. Evening like, which I use, prevents you from getting sleepy too early, and you can then have a normal night's sleep. I have been fine-tuning my light therapy for over a year and my body is very sensitive to the time and duration of the light. As the days get darker, and I don't increase my light, I find that my sleep starts shifting backwards again and I'm getting sluggish and muddy-brained in the daytime.
Maybe this sounds incredible -- I knew nothing about it myself until I got SAD -- but it really does happen. If I were you I would pay attention to my sleeping patterns and try to do my light when it worked best for my body, even if it meant I had to shift my schedule around to accommodate it. I tried using morning light myself at first and it made me worse. Now I use evening light every day, even if it sometimes means going out of the house with my visor on. I figure it's worth it to prevent feeling awful the next day.
Hope this helps :)
Linda.
PurpleIvy
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 15:41 9 December 2005

hi Linda

I find that on my regular late THursday evening I take 20 minutes with the lamp before I go out, otherwise I yawn all evening. Forgot last night and I had trouble staying awake!

Purple Ivy
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Posted by OLD BLUE EYES, 18:36 9 December 2005

Hello JS,
I've stopped posting mainly due to lack of ability!
After the first couple of days of photo therapy as you've read i felt perculiar. But then on the third day(MONDAY of all days) i felt really hyper active! Feet tapping, jaw clenching, laughing out loud with excitement, basically briming with energy. I thought to myself " this is it, light box treatment, i've got it sussed" But alas, after a week the positive affects subsided and gradually i've slipped back down the greasy pole.
On the plus side, i think without my light box the symptoms would probably be far worse.
Im not using my light box in the evening aswell as in the morning, so that maybe something to try.
At the moment i've just accepted that its going to get worse before it gets better!
Im in bed 8 o'clock most evenings due to a total lack of energy and interest in anything really.
Im buying my first house in a couple of weeks, and im going to set it up with a gym, a shed and a cracking home entertainment system, all ready for next year when i lock horns with this illusive beast once again!
I'll try and post a more constructive reply tomorrow, but for now, take care,
regards DAVID
JS101
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Posted by JS101, 19:20 10 December 2005

Glad to hear you're alright David, and your house plans sound great.

Thanks for your info Linda. I will do as much reading as I can around work. The Apollo test just reminded me of tools that I have used in the past to plan adjusting my circadian rhythm to avoid jet lag. If anything I currently feel like I have no circadian rhythm at all, and my body is just saying it's time to sleep all day long. SAD does feel like constant jet lag, but jet lag only made me feel tired for the "wrong" part of the day until my circadian rhythm adapted to the local time zone. From what I remember you can only adjust your circadian rhythm by a maximum of one hour per day, to avoid the feelings of jet lag. Funnily enough I used one of the frst light visors to help me avoid jet lag on my many travels. I just thought I was depressed in the winter here, because I am an outdoors person, and as you well know British weather isn't all that great in the summer let alone the winter. So I never even thought about using light therapy for my depression, until I recently became aware of SAD.

To be honest I am a little confused on the whole topic of how just a small dose of bright light can replace upto 12 hours of sunlight. Surely a powerful lamp would have to be used to simulate a completely artificial day for 12 hours? :? I'll see if I can find some animal behaviour research that is relavent.

Just like you, Purple Ivy, I went out last night after skimping on my lamp session. Staying awake was a real struggle.

Take care all, and stay positive.

John

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