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jd.smithuk
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Posted by jd.smithuk, 16:31 17 January 2005

Back in 2000 we had really problems with my son and sleeping he didnt want to go to bed couldnt sleep felt scared and a whole host of other problems. We eventually were told of one big issue and sorted it in the october of that year, however we still had problems with him untill around the easter time we was aged 7 at the time and we assumed it related to changing school and the loss of his grandma My wifes mum..

The following year everything went well apart from a little hiccup around november with similar problems of unable to get to sleep and wanting people to stay with him feeling scared but not sure why.

We had a bad winter in 2002 with similar problem along with a very difiant boy. On an evening he felt scared but couldnt say why. I spoke to school and nothing seemed wrong ands sure enough the problems went away around april time.

winter 2003-2004 was good with no problems at all.

We had a minor hicup in Novemeber 2004 but things have gone from bad to worse hes now 11 at senior school and just wants someone with him all evening. He cant sleep feels scared and and doesnt know why. though in the day hes a very happy independant kid.

GP wasnt much use before and now is saying you need a psychologist, I myself do wonder if its SAD related as it has only ever happened in the autum/winter months. I cant remember if for example we had a brighter than normal winter.

Its having a big effect on the family and wonder what other people think.
whirlwindgirly
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Posted by whirlwindgirly, 21:30 17 January 2005

Sorry to hear that your son and, consequently, your family are having such a difficult time.

I have heard (and experienced) that SAD can affect a sufferer at different levels of severity each winter... some winters have been dreadful, some I have coped with well without light therapy or medication, (this one has been a bitch, but she's on a leash now!). So, if it is SAD, that could explain the varying severity of your sons emotions and behaviour in winter.

I can relate to the way your son is reacting, however. It sounds as though he is quite anxious on an evening. (Anxiety is a symptom). Is he putting a brave face on all day and then letting his bottled up feelings out in the evening in the security of his own home with his family I wonder? that's how I get through work sometimes.

Even if you did allow your GP to refer your son to a psychologist, this can only be a good thing. If your son 'does' suffer from SAD, I'd like to think that a qualified psychologist could make an accurate diagnosis. Perhaps you could voice your concerns with the psychologist at your sons first visit so he is aware of the seasonal patter of your sons difficulties.

I must admit, a few months ago I was ready to go and see a psychologist myself (I actually wanted to book myself into hospital, things got that bad!). I know I suffer from SAD, but when you are in it, it's so bad that you can't beleive that the thing that is making you feel so terrible is actually just a physiological thing to do with an imbalance of chemicals in the body!

I do hope that things improve for your son and your family.

Thoughts are with you.

Ruth
robbo
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Posted by robbo, 07:46 18 January 2005

Hi jd.smithuk!
Please read my post "Could my six year old have SAD?" which I posted a few weeks ago. It will explain to you what I/we have been going through with my daughter.
I haven't plucked up the courage to go to my GP surgery yet, as they are not particularly helpful where I am concerned, let alone my daughter!
We are just plodding on, problems at school still seem to be there but I think my daughter is just experiencing everyday normal life with her friends at the age of six, and it's not particularly sinister, I think it's her inability to cope and the fact that she's anxious. I am keeping a diary and will see if things subside as the summer approaches. She was a bit like it last winter, so we'll see if it returns next year!
Have you considered trying light therapy with your son?
I can relate to your comment about it having a big effect on the family. It's very hard work, and because I have SAD, I blame myself and my inability to cope, but actually I am having quite a good winter! It's a good thing that I am, otherwise we'd all be in hospital (or prison!)
Keep in touch. I would be keen to know how you are getting on.

I have these websites listed on my "favourites". Hope these help.

http://www.holistic-online.com/hol_sad.htm#Children

http://www.athealth.com/Consumers/disorders/ChildDepression.html

robbo. x
robbo
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Posted by robbo, 07:49 18 January 2005

Hello again,
I've worked out how to shortcut you to my post!!

http://www.outsidein.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=469

Bye for now.

robbo. x
jd.smithuk
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Posted by jd.smithuk, 21:10 18 January 2005

Hi and thanks for the posts. Sure enough the pattern seems to stick here we had a good nights sleep on Monday and tonight i am hoping for the same and behaviour and everything is back to normal. I know one thing he will be out in any sunshine on Saturday and Sunday we have.

Robo it does seem similar between our to children I must admit we monitored all sorts in the begining how much tv/video games he was having what he ate and all host of other things but we never spotted any paterns. We considered SAD 2 years ago and discounted it as a lot of the symptoms then didnt fit he never slept more and wasnt withdrawn but i read somethign recently about it may be more like insomnia and that could be used to describe some of his problems he sometimes gets to sleep then wakes up and wants someone with him.

Going to see how things go and may try light therapy alos might try speak with the GP again and hoping.

Will keep people informed if they want

Thanks for the support it helps just to talk to people

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Posted by Anonymous, 18:42 28 January 2005

Hello

Just been thinking, I use a light box after my therapist suggested it, and we got talking about school, college and uni,

Not only can kids be sufferers of sad, the way the school year is structured in the UK, around christmas, this is generally half way through the year for those doing GSCEs, A Levels and Uni, there are huge pressures of coursework at this time of year, and there is no light at the end of the tunnel (no pun intended!!), summer equates also to the completion of exams and the school year, and also to a well earned break.

And also, because of the school year, kids spend more time outside in the summer, with the holidays, and outside sports at school, and more time indoors in the winter.

Breaktime is so important for all, not just to catch a bit of fresh air but to catch some light!!

The smokers in my office go for their fag break and I go for a 'light break'.
robbo
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Posted by robbo, 17:05 29 January 2005

Yes Fernando, I couldn't have put it better myself!
How's it going jd.smithuk? Keep in touch. x
robbo.
fi fi
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Posted by fi fi, 10:43 6 October 2009

Hi,my son who is 5 has suffered from sad since he was 3 although we didnt know wat it was until he was 4. he needs a light box everyday in autum right through 2 spring. he is very emotional,tired,uninterested and he isnt hungry.i think that i will have to move to a sunny country just so he can be happy. i hate seeing him like this!!!!! i give him vitamins and iron to try and keep him healthy but this autum he has been soooo sad already i just want to make him better.help!!!!!!
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Posted by PurpleIvy, 19:04 6 October 2009

Has your son seen your medical professional aboaut this? Do you need to get him a proper diagnosis?
sadman
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Posted by sadman, 20:29 27 October 2009

Hello there. Sorry to hear of your plight (i know you posted in 2005!) so not sure its still a problem. This sounds like a mirror or me when I was a kid! 11 years old, went to a new school and bang, anxiety hit! I was so scared for months. Its only now in my 30's I can say its SAD! I always remember saying to my mum - crying - that I hate cloudy days :) I suspect that year I didn't go out with my primary school friends (we all went to different schools)

I recall always feeling better going out for walks with my dad to the park and cycling etc, get him out as much as you can.


Good luck :)

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